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Kanye West to acquire free speech platform Parler
- skissane 4y agoSome suspect Candace Owens may have had a hand in convincing him to do this - her husband George Farmer is Parler’s CEO.
- ogogmad 4y agoIf they actually agree to let an unstable, anti-semitic [1], petulant bully [2] with no tech experience take over their platform, then doesn't that prove them to be rather stupid? They're really agreeing to let him be their boss? [1] - Latest tweets saying he's going "death con 3 on jewish people" and "who do you think created cancel culture?" [2] - ongoing drama with Taylor Swift [edit] Dropped the reference to bipolar.
- watwut 4y agoI mean ... he will fit in perfectly.
- e-v 4y agoHe's thus probably exactly what they are looking for.
- zamalek 4y agoSkin color is all wrong for them, though.
- c0wb0yc0d3r 4y agoI'm going to bet everything looks green from Parler's perspective.
- iamben 4y agoPretty good match, I'd say! To quote Ye: "Heard Yeezy was racist, well, I guess that's on one basis... I only like green faces."
- IIAOPSW 4y agoIts Parler, the wet market of ideas.
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y agoSurely this is more good news. - Musk will destroy Twitter - Zuckerberg is defunding Facebook via the metaverse - Now West will take out Parler
- ryandvm 4y agoMy thoughts exactly. Twitter and Parler are going to turn into 4chan. Cesspools sure, but not something sane people are interested in participating in.
- daveslash 4y agoI haven't been on FaceBook for years, but by the time I left, it felt like "4chan for grannies".
- Semaphor 4y agoFB is very different depending on curation. I know everyone on my list, there is no 4chan content (of course, I also stopped using FB because they made the website so bad I couldn’t anymore)
- listless 4y agoThey should all get a Nobel Peace Prize for taking out social media
- intrasight 4y agoThree "jump the shark" events in the social media space in short order. You're probably right. Parler has always been irrelevant. Facebook in increasingly irrelevant. Twitter may win by default.
- cloutchaser 4y agoParler hasn't been able to get back to how popular it was since the coordinated shutdown. I imagine they sold for a very small amount (although they did apparently raise some money earlier and buy Dynascale, a hosting company). Most of those who used parler are now on Gettr or Truth Social or Retalk.
- schwartzworld 4y agoI'll bet anyone $10 that Kanye West will be president of the united states. If not this election, the next one. He will be a better Trump than Trump, a bigger celebrity, more unhinged, youth appeal and almost deplatformable.
- 6stringmerc 4y agoI’m sure security is a priority for him, considering his iPhone password was 000000 when he visited Trump in the Oval…
- kmlx 4y agoit’s 6 chars thou :)
- Lapsa 4y agoMansa Musa got more dough
- 55555 4y agoTrue! He’s making a bold and false claim.
- watwut 4y agoA platform that bans left-wing speech is not a free speech one. Simple as that. Yes I know some work hard in redefining "free speech" to measure "ability of right wing extremists being unopposed". That does not make it reasonable for HN.
- Veen 4y agoFree speech is the right for everyone to express themselves, including right-wing and left wing extremists. It interesting to see how many of the "privately-owned platforms can do as they please" people suddenly change their mind when the shoe is on the other foot.
- d_e_solomon 4y agoFree speech is the right for penis pill sellers to post incessantly.
- dementiapatent 4y agoYou can find a happy middle ground between unrestricted free speech (of real people) and banning spammers and people who run alt accounts. Making the system invite-only may be a requirement.
- iinnPP 4y agoI would argue the simplest answer is transparent moderation. If needed, split a team of moderators by political association and have each moderator handle the users of the "opposite" side. Otherwise you end up getting shadow banned for reporting an actual call to violence which then took place.
- bediger4000 4y agoEvidence and experience say this isn't true. No platform has ever hit this balance.
- bradreaves2 4y ago
- nathias 4y agocool, maybe they'll become a free speech platform
- muglug 4y agoWhat's happening to Kanye is a lesson to us all. He's 15 years past his peak cultural relevancy, and desperately wants to claw some of it back — but not by releasing great records or designing clothes that everybody wants to wear. Instead he's the brave truth-teller telling us things that the Man (who, it turns out, ia jewish) doesn't want us to know. You see a bunch of celebrities and regular people alike fall into this trap — think of the former popular kid in high school who ended up as a janitor who spends their time "researching" the connection between vaccines and autism.
- iinnPP 4y agoEarly in the pandemic there was a notion that the entire antivax movement was white, racist, right wing nut jobs. Reality is quite different. The people not getting vaccinated are the people who have dealt with the government the most. They have a certain distrust after years over years of dealing with the government. Meaning, the vast majority of the antivax hate ends up impacting the most vulnerable in our society. Hate is bad. It's anti-human and a huge step back. It doesn't make anyone, anywhere, morally superior and it definitely isn't a marker for intelligence. In fact, swallowing wholesale the narrative by people who have a vast history of lying(or no history of any truth/intelligent ideas) is the least intelligent thing one can do.
- muglug 4y ago> there was a notion These are weasel words. The antivax movement among progressive west-coast parents in the US has been covered frequently in the national media e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/us/measles-outbreak.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/us/measles-outbreak.html > The people not getting vaccinated are the people who have dealt with the government the most. This is also not true. They're mostly people with low educational attainment who are more susceptible to misinformation, but I can see the narrative you're trying to create! > In fact, swallowing wholesale the narrative by people who have a vast history of lying(or no history of any truth/intelligent ideas) is the least intelligent thing one can do. Good governments generally understand this, and the most effective health policy during the pandemic was to give the mic to the scientific community.
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- tareqak 4y agoSame story from: CNN Business - Kanye West to acquire conservative social media platform Parler - https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_ad4adf7e27837537f8b07523aba9659b https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_ad4adf7e27837537f8b07523ab... Associated Press - Kanye West to buy conservative social media platform Parler - https://apnews.com/article/kanye-west-parler-5b1cbdb1f311ae9de70b3d4e247e6201 https://apnews.com/article/kanye-west-parler-5b1cbdb1f311ae9... Reuters - Kanye West to buy social media app Parler - https://www.reuters.com/technology/parler-be-acquired-by-kanye-west-2022-10-17/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/parler-be-acquired-by-kan...
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- pseudolus 4y agoSomething must be seriously wrong with the financials at Parler for them to accept an offer from him. He's basically untouchable on both sides of the mainstream political spectrum at this point, something I'm sure Parler is aware of. However, desperation makes for strange bedfellows. Perhaps, like Elon, he'll try and get out of the deal at which point his bipolar condition will come out front and center as a basis for withdrawing the offer.
- troon-lover 4y ago
- iinnPP 4y agoWhen did it become mainstream to hate on people for their mental health?
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y agoIt’s never not been mainstream. Crazy girlfriends, calling people psychos, joking about having ocd(“or as I prefer it, cdo!”), adhd squirrel!, calling people narcissistic, autistic as an insult for being overly petulant, “retarded”, etc etc. the list goes on and on. At no point was someone’s mental well-being not a point of mockery or weakness in society, I think.
- iinnPP 4y agoNone of my friends are like this. Not one.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y agoI don't think that this specific issue is "hate on people for their mental health" it's more that, mental health issues of powerful people playing out in headlines and prime-time media will never not be uncomfortable to watch, a tragic and unnecessary spectacle.
- RichardCNormos 4y ago
- kilroy123 4y agoMental illness is one hell of a drug. I truly feel sorry for him. Mental illness is no joke.
- pennaMan 4y agoI advise you read Foucault on mental illness and how it is used as a weapon against those going against the status quo.
- Der_Einzige 4y agoFoucault is a fraud and charlatan, also, evidence of his pedophilia in Algeria came out recently. No surprise since he fought against age of consent laws in France - along with most of the other post moderist french critical theorists... Beyond that, most of his books are extremely anti-historical and filled with literal falsehoods. Foucaults take on leprosy is literally conspiracy theory tier BS and is anti-scientific.
- e-v 4y agoThis is mostly very silly and is not backed by facts. 1. On "pedophilia in Algeria": a. You are probably referring to the rumors started by Guy Sorman which mention crimes allegedly taking place in Tunisia, where he lived and taught, rather than Algeria. b. As described in a report (in French) published in the Obs[1], Foucault was under strict police surveillance when he lived in Tunisia, because of his political activities. The State was desperate to find a reason to convict him. One would think that allegations of rape and pedophilia wouldn't have gone unnoticed. Moreover, Sorman himself admitted that his allegations were not founded[2]. c. Even if these allegations were true (which they don't seem to be), I failed to see what they would have to do with the argument you are answering to. This would make him a criminal and a despicable person; it would not imply that nothing he wrote was philosophically and historically pertinent. 2. On the age of consent laws in France: your argument is simply dishonest. At the time, the age of consent for heterosexual relations was 15 (and it still is), whereas homosexual relations were forbidden until the age of 18, which was (rightfully) seen as discriminatory. However, some of the people involved in that movement were indeed despicable. 3. "most of his books are extremely anti-historical" That makes absolutely no sense. What does "anti-historical" mean? a. "filled with literal falsehoods". This is a gross overstatement. The accuracy of some facts described in some of Foucault's books have indeed been disputed, it doesn't make them "filled with falsehoods". b. "anti-scientific": that's ironic, because, for reasons that I cannot explain in much detail here (do study Foucault and make your own opinion about his work rather that believe what random strangers say on the Internet), it is, to some extent, precisely the point (but it is dealt with in a much more complex manner than what your comment leads one to think). Think whatever you want about Foucault and his work, but please do your homework and don't spread ridiculous rumors and over-simplifications. [1] https://www.nouvelobs.com/idees/20210506.OBS43714/michel-foucault-accuse-de-pedocriminalite-notre-enquete-en-tunisie-aux-origines-de-la-rumeur.html https://www.nouvelobs.com/idees/20210506.OBS43714/michel-fou... [2] https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/idees-et-debats/michel-foucault-et-la-pedophilie-enquete-sur-un-emballement-mediatique_2148517.html https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/idees-et-debats/michel-fou...
- mkr-hn 4y agoI'm not sure which side is getting the worse of this deal.
- Bilal_io 4y agoMaybe the infamous saying applies here "they deserve each other"
- Gatsky 4y agoKanye's problem is that he is harmless, which is kind of the worse thing a rapper can be.
- JamesSwift 4y agoUhh what? Drake is a generational mega star and was previously best known for playing the kid in a wheel chair on a canadian teen drama Degrassi. No one is looking over their shoulder looking for JCole or Childish Gambino. Hard edge rappers are a relic of the 90s/00s. They still exist for sure, but its not going to ruin your cred if you dont "come from the streets".
- Gatsky 4y agoDrake never played that game (he couldn’t as a former child star, to your point). His rap songs are largely taking the piss (see HYFR for example) in my opinion. I’m not talking about gangster cred or whatever. I mean, Beyonce isn’t harmless.
- Ancapistani 4y agoLil Dicky would like a word. In all seriousness, he’s created a small and apparently growing following by fostering the “harmless” persona. Sure, he’s no Dr. Dre, but his songs have featured in a couple of relatively large ad campaigns even though they definitely aren’t “radio friendly”.
- illuminerdy 4y agoIf his purpose truly is promoting, advocating for and protecting the free and open exchange of ideas in an open society, then I fully support his purchase of Parler. I don't care what he's said in the past. I don't have to agree with him on the issues to agree with him that the trend towards social media companies censoring people (sometimes in collusion with the government) is terrible for everyone except the globalist elites.
- lemmiwinks 4y agoI wonder who you think are those "globalist elites" and why are you against them? (that's a rhetorical question, don't answer please)
- hey2022 4y agoHe got banned from social media for posting “I am going defcon 3 on the JEWS” or something like that, not for exchanging Ideas in an Open Society. Unless you include this type of “ideas” in your definition. I am not advocating censorship, but want to point out that your hopes might be misplaced. The illuminating ideas this kind of a free speech platform usually attracts rarely go far beyond bigotry.
- illuminerdy 4y agoAnd what, exactly, do you believe he means when he says that? Because I have a hard time seeing how any rational person would think that that's an actual threat towards Jewish people. And absent it being an actual threat (which it's clearly not), I don't see what your issue is. Kanye West is well within his rights to criticize Jewish people the same way that literally every woke person is within their rights to criticize, nay, demonize white people these days on every social media, corporate media platform, and news outlet these days.
- hey2022 4y agoI rarely understand what his actual position is (outside of contrarianism). In this specific case it's a bigoted thing to say, regardless of whether this is a legitimate threat. Worth banning? I don't know, I don't set rules or own Twitter. A valuable contribution to an open society? Don't think so. If he is "criticizing" Jewish people (which does not sound like it to me) - do you think it's not an antisemitic thing to do? (To pre-empt your counter-argument... yes, criticizing all white people is also racism/bigotry.) Treating a race, a nation, all followers of a religion, etc as a uniform group that can be subjected to some "criticism" is not an idea that's valuable to an open society. Saying that, I don't think people should be immediately banned for posts like that. If you think we need a "free speech" app filled with these "valuable" ideas - that's fine, just don't expect that it will be a space for discussing opposing views. Places like that always end up on either extreme right or extreme left.
- shmatt 4y agoI wouldn't put this against Parler actually thinking they have some future. They're just looking to unload their highly unprofitable business[1]. The CEOs wife has been following Ye around supporting him at the controversial Paris Fashion Week and ever since[2] And it doesn't end at the buyout. According to the deal that was described this morning, Parlers parent company stays open, and keeps billing Ye forever for "engineering and cloud services". He basically has to keep paying them for life, or start recruiting his own tech company, or shut the website down, even though he's the owner, he doesn't directly employ their employees nor owns their cloud accounts This is the team at Parler taking advantage of someone who is very obviously having some serious mental issues [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/02/parlers-popularity-plummets-as-data-reveals-little-appetite-for-returning-free-speech-app-favored-by-conservatives/?sh=5a60a1dc5e13 https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/02/parlers-p... [2] https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-719370 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-719370
- collegeburner 4y agono, parlement (the parent) is trying to be a "uncancellable cloud host": https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/16/parler-parlement-web-hosting/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/16/parler-parlement-web-hosti... ye is buying parler specifically not the whole thing, parler currently runs on parlement but he could presumably move to anything else. the "consulting" part is pretty normal for a transition like this.
- ViceCitySage 4y agoI'm pretty indifferent towards Kanye. Not the biggest hater but this imo is somewhat stupid. It would need to undergo an overhaul and relaunch since it got banned off the app stores. Furthermore, the platform it mimics is potentially going to be overhauled by Elon anyway. Even if you're still at disagreement with Twitter, there is a sea of twitter alternatives out there. Some of which have policies that support free speech. For some reason, most alternative social media platform mimic twitter.
- collegeburner 4y agonope, google play just started carrying it again.
- josefresco 4y ago"free speech platform"
- midasz 4y agoWhy did you alter the title of the article?