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What kind of ideas? I guess if you go far enough left then everything is to your right.

by brutusborn 4y ago

dd36 4y ago
Communism, socialism, ending capitalism, etc. Just look at European politics.
- luckylion 4y ago
  Where on e.g. Twitter or Reddit would that be disallowed? Isn't r/antiwork/ hitting the front page regularly?
  - dd36 4y ago
    You named the only two relatively free, large, unmoderated public forums with transparent-able feeds. Well Reddit’s feed is transparent: Lower bound of Wilson score. On Twitter, I only filter for latest, but you cannot do that on Facebook.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      Feeds suck, sure, but there's really no censorship for anything about communism etc short of calling for violence against wealthy people. Facebook is less "free" in that regard since they won't allow "all men are trash", which Twitter would only go after if you qualify it with a race that is considered 'protected', and Reddit would probably ignore completely (but "local" mods might not, which makes Reddit take a special role there).
  - dementiapatent 4y ago
    I would like to point out that employers are/were permitted to discriminate against these people under federal law: The Equal Rights Act of 1964: https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/title-vii-civil-rights-act-1964 https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/title-vii-civil-rights-act-196... > As used in this subchapter, the phrase "unlawful employment practice" shall not be deemed to include any action or measure taken by an employer, labor organization, joint labor management committee, or employment agency with respect to an individual who is a member of the Communist Party of the United States or of any other organization required to register as a Communist-action or Communist-front organization by final order of the Subversive Activities Control Board pursuant to the Subversive Activities Control Act of 1950 [50 U.S.C. 781 et seq.].
    - ch4s3 4y ago
      To be fair, when that was written being a member of the CPUSA meant there was a very good chance that someone was working with the KGB. There was a long history of people with college ties to communist groups going to work in sensitive industries and passing secrets to the KGB.
      - dementiapatent 4y ago
        I find it interesting that similar claims have been made against several members of the Republican party in recent times (by prominent news outlets). What is the threshold of evidence that taints an entire political party?
        ch4s3 4y ago
        For the record I think it was wrong then, but there are literal KGB records of people in the working for them, and some were caught and arrested at the time. Again I think the law was wrong, but the concern was real. As for "Russia Gate", I remain in unconvinced. [*edit] if you’re downvoting, kindly share your disagreement, I’d be interested to hear what you have to say.
        dd36 4y ago
        The info on Russia gate is public record in courts, the special counsel report, inspector general report, etc. Russia supported Donald Trump.
        ch4s3 4y ago
        I mean Russia Gate in the conspiratorial Trump as Russian agent sense, which seems unsupported by evidence. But yes it seems clear that he was Russia’s preferred candidate, though it’s unclear to me whether that made any measurable or meaningful difference. Failing to campaign in the upper Midwest or rust belt as a democrat seemed like an avoidable self-own.
guerrilla 4y ago
I mean they were literally persecuted by the United States itself, which the right has never been. McArthyism, blacklisting, banning, COINTELPRO and the most enormous propaganda campaigns in history since WWII. The US went to war with leftists and eradicated them, which is why European (and generally global) politics looks so different as many of those places didn't have such direct oppression.
- dd36 4y ago
  Yes, the news recently that the FBI monitored Aretha Franklin?!? The same powerful people that targeted socialists or civil rights leaders also influenced or even owned the media. It’s almost like the internet, at least early on, kind of broke that grip, and the rise of hard right media funded by billionaires with social media promotion weapons/bots/coordination is a response to that.
drcongo 4y ago
Socialism is apparently a dirty word in the US, but a perfectly normal political ideology in large parts of the rest of the world.

What kind of ideas? I guess if you go far enough left then everything is to your right.

dd36 4y ago

Communism, socialism, ending capitalism, etc. Just look at European politics.

luckylion 4y ago
Where on e.g. Twitter or Reddit would that be disallowed? Isn't r/antiwork/ hitting the front page regularly?
- dd36 4y ago
  You named the only two relatively free, large, unmoderated public forums with transparent-able feeds. Well Reddit’s feed is transparent: Lower bound of Wilson score. On Twitter, I only filter for latest, but you cannot do that on Facebook.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    Feeds suck, sure, but there's really no censorship for anything about communism etc short of calling for violence against wealthy people. Facebook is less "free" in that regard since they won't allow "all men are trash", which Twitter would only go after if you qualify it with a race that is considered 'protected', and Reddit would probably ignore completely (but "local" mods might not, which makes Reddit take a special role there).
- dementiapatent 4y ago
  I would like to point out that employers are/were permitted to discriminate against these people under federal law: The Equal Rights Act of 1964: https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/title-vii-civil-rights-act-1964 https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/title-vii-civil-rights-act-196... > As used in this subchapter, the phrase "unlawful employment practice" shall not be deemed to include any action or measure taken by an employer, labor organization, joint labor management committee, or employment agency with respect to an individual who is a member of the Communist Party of the United States or of any other organization required to register as a Communist-action or Communist-front organization by final order of the Subversive Activities Control Board pursuant to the Subversive Activities Control Act of 1950 [50 U.S.C. 781 et seq.].
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    To be fair, when that was written being a member of the CPUSA meant there was a very good chance that someone was working with the KGB. There was a long history of people with college ties to communist groups going to work in sensitive industries and passing secrets to the KGB.
    - dementiapatent 4y ago
      I find it interesting that similar claims have been made against several members of the Republican party in recent times (by prominent news outlets). What is the threshold of evidence that taints an entire political party?
      - ch4s3 4y ago
        For the record I think it was wrong then, but there are literal KGB records of people in the working for them, and some were caught and arrested at the time. Again I think the law was wrong, but the concern was real. As for "Russia Gate", I remain in unconvinced. [*edit] if you’re downvoting, kindly share your disagreement, I’d be interested to hear what you have to say.
        dd36 4y ago
        The info on Russia gate is public record in courts, the special counsel report, inspector general report, etc. Russia supported Donald Trump.
        ch4s3 4y ago
        I mean Russia Gate in the conspiratorial Trump as Russian agent sense, which seems unsupported by evidence. But yes it seems clear that he was Russia’s preferred candidate, though it’s unclear to me whether that made any measurable or meaningful difference. Failing to campaign in the upper Midwest or rust belt as a democrat seemed like an avoidable self-own.

guerrilla 4y ago

I mean they were literally persecuted by the United States itself, which the right has never been. McArthyism, blacklisting, banning, COINTELPRO and the most enormous propaganda campaigns in history since WWII. The US went to war with leftists and eradicated them, which is why European (and generally global) politics looks so different as many of those places didn't have such direct oppression.

dd36 4y ago
Yes, the news recently that the FBI monitored Aretha Franklin?!? The same powerful people that targeted socialists or civil rights leaders also influenced or even owned the media. It’s almost like the internet, at least early on, kind of broke that grip, and the rise of hard right media funded by billionaires with social media promotion weapons/bots/coordination is a response to that.

drcongo 4y ago

Socialism is apparently a dirty word in the US, but a perfectly normal political ideology in large parts of the rest of the world.