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I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other

I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other people? Isn’t it kinda hypocritical? Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all and have a civil discourse about someone is feeling towards some group of people to allow him to change his mind? Personal attacks and hatred will not do any good this will only prove to that person that he is right.

dd36 4y ago
Kanye West is still on Twitter. What was it he couldn’t say?
- tonightstoast 4y ago
  He made some anti Semitic comments and I thought his account was banned. Maybe it was just a suspension though.
  - paulpauper 4y ago
    that never happened. the tweet was only removed
    - Kiro 4y ago
      It says that he is locked out of his Twitter account in the article. Isn't that the same thing as being banned?
      - nickthegreek 4y ago
        no, when you are banned, you pretty much cant get your account back. When it is locked, there are steps you can undertake to get access restored (like deleting the offending content).
danuker 4y ago
On one hand, there should ideally be no discrimination. So, hate speech directed even at white males should be disallowed. On the other hand, society resolved through politics (such as Affirmative Action) that the compound interest and lasting synergistic effects of historical discrimination should be compensated for somewhat. The only way to do that is through more discrimination (i.e. relatively penalizing the least historically discriminated-against people). I suspect this selective enforcement of the rules is one kind of such relative penalization. What I don't understand is why do private companies take it upon themselves to do this. Is it genuine stakeholder concern (in conflict with profits)? ESG criteria giving them access to cheaper funding or tax breaks? Plain marketing? Virtue signalling?
- dd36 4y ago
  Twitter has corporate users and advertisers. If it became 4chan, that would all evaporate. It also has professionals. There’s a point at which unmoderated content drives out all but the trolls, spammers, and haters.
  - danuker 4y ago
    I don't have a stance on principled moderation of content. Only on arbitrary enforcement.
- impowski 4y ago
  People are lazy they think that some sort of compensation will resolve all their issues but it’s not. Everyone knows that these companies control people because they are constantly engaged on their platforms they can push anything they want. Companies will support any dominating regime for their own good it doesn’t matter if it’s democrats or republicans, fascists or communists, etc.
  - danuker 4y ago
    How are companies benefitting by pushing something, rather than trying to stay politically neutral?
- 4y ago
nonameiguess 4y ago
> I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” Are you sure? It's been a few years since I purged all social media from my life, but three years ago, it was going around and seemingly well-documented with screenshots that saying "men are trash" would get your post auto-deleted and your account sanctioned on Facebook. This seems like another of those things where extremists on all sides believe they're being uniquely persecuted and some other side of the spectrum is given free reign, when more likely than not most mainstream platforms are pretty centrist.
- houstonn 4y ago
  It is typical. Here is a recent illustration of one from a blue check that attracted a lot of attention but was not removed. https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1581103527585120257 https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1581103527585120257
  - DerekBickerton 4y ago
    https://nitter.net/TalbertSwan/status/1581103527585120257 https://nitter.net/TalbertSwan/status/1581103527585120257
- luckylion 4y ago
  I believe that's because Facebook gave itself some actual rules and then enforced them, regardless of who said it and who was the subject of the post, they treated all groups the same. Twitter or Reddit do not.
DerekBickerton 4y ago
> Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all Moderation[0] is not censorship. It just means having a productive conversation and debate without name-calling, slurs, and other malfeasance. "Trash" is not a harmful word, but inciting violence against an ethnic group definitely is harmful. There's also historical baggage attached to ethnic groups such as the Jews who were persecuted in an actual war and genocide. "Men" is too generic. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderation
fckgw 4y ago

dd36 4y ago

Kanye West is still on Twitter. What was it he couldn’t say?

tonightstoast 4y ago
He made some anti Semitic comments and I thought his account was banned. Maybe it was just a suspension though.
- paulpauper 4y ago
  that never happened. the tweet was only removed
  - Kiro 4y ago
    It says that he is locked out of his Twitter account in the article. Isn't that the same thing as being banned?
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      no, when you are banned, you pretty much cant get your account back. When it is locked, there are steps you can undertake to get access restored (like deleting the offending content).

danuker 4y ago

On one hand, there should ideally be no discrimination. So, hate speech directed even at white males should be disallowed. On the other hand, society resolved through politics (such as Affirmative Action) that the compound interest and lasting synergistic effects of historical discrimination should be compensated for somewhat. The only way to do that is through more discrimination (i.e. relatively penalizing the least historically discriminated-against people). I suspect this selective enforcement of the rules is one kind of such relative penalization. What I don't understand is why do private companies take it upon themselves to do this. Is it genuine stakeholder concern (in conflict with profits)? ESG criteria giving them access to cheaper funding or tax breaks? Plain marketing? Virtue signalling?

dd36 4y ago
Twitter has corporate users and advertisers. If it became 4chan, that would all evaporate. It also has professionals. There’s a point at which unmoderated content drives out all but the trolls, spammers, and haters.
- danuker 4y ago
  I don't have a stance on principled moderation of content. Only on arbitrary enforcement.
impowski 4y ago
People are lazy they think that some sort of compensation will resolve all their issues but it’s not. Everyone knows that these companies control people because they are constantly engaged on their platforms they can push anything they want. Companies will support any dominating regime for their own good it doesn’t matter if it’s democrats or republicans, fascists or communists, etc.
- danuker 4y ago
  How are companies benefitting by pushing something, rather than trying to stay politically neutral?
4y ago

nonameiguess 4y ago

> I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” Are you sure? It's been a few years since I purged all social media from my life, but three years ago, it was going around and seemingly well-documented with screenshots that saying "men are trash" would get your post auto-deleted and your account sanctioned on Facebook. This seems like another of those things where extremists on all sides believe they're being uniquely persecuted and some other side of the spectrum is given free reign, when more likely than not most mainstream platforms are pretty centrist.

houstonn 4y ago
It is typical. Here is a recent illustration of one from a blue check that attracted a lot of attention but was not removed. https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1581103527585120257 https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1581103527585120257
- DerekBickerton 4y ago
  https://nitter.net/TalbertSwan/status/1581103527585120257 https://nitter.net/TalbertSwan/status/1581103527585120257
luckylion 4y ago
I believe that's because Facebook gave itself some actual rules and then enforced them, regardless of who said it and who was the subject of the post, they treated all groups the same. Twitter or Reddit do not.

DerekBickerton 4y ago

> Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all Moderation[0] is not censorship. It just means having a productive conversation and debate without name-calling, slurs, and other malfeasance. "Trash" is not a harmful word, but inciting violence against an ethnic group definitely is harmful. There's also historical baggage attached to ethnic groups such as the Jews who were persecuted in an actual war and genocide. "Men" is too generic. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderation

fckgw 4y ago