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Yeah, so... This discussion is about countries where that sort of thing isn't allowed. Unless I am mistaken. It's quite possible the UK and such still allow chi

by Manu40 4y ago

Yeah, so... This discussion is about countries where that sort of thing isn't allowed. Unless I am mistaken. It's quite possible the UK and such still allow children in bars I guess. It was a thing during the 90's when I was a kid here in Canada. But that bar also doubled as a restaurant, so that's why it was allowed for a while until the rules changed and no longer was allowed. I see the internet as being in the same situation. Yes, we have allowed certain things up to a point, but guess what? Now some of us are saying "no more". Also, it would be a good idea to not assume a persons place of origin while on the internet. Not everyone you think is American, is.

grecy 4y ago
> This discussion is about countries where that sort of thing isn't allowed You think Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, etc. etc. shouldn't be included? >Also, it would be a good idea to not assume a persons place of origin while on the internet. Not everyone you think is American, is. Please see the word "if" in my comment.
- Manu40 4y ago
  > Children in bars is perfectly legal in many countries around the world. Last night I was in a crowded pub with dozens and dozens of kids running all over while everyone 18+ was drinking plenty. > Are you suggesting the laws of one country should be enforced on all countries? > If you are, keep in mind the US is less than 5% of the worlds population, so it’s unlikely to be their laws which get enforced. --------------------------------------------------- {Please see the word "if" in my comment.} Alright, so I did. And I found it. And the way you used it is not in the same function as you are trying to imply at the moment. They way you used it is implying that "If I am suggesting X, then I must be in the US" since your stats you quote are from the US, thus you are implying I must be from the US. That said, I accept that you meant to use it a different manner. But that is how it comes off the way you wrote what you did write. {You think Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, etc. etc. shouldn't be included?} I never said they shouldn't. I am merely saying that the article is about the UK and Europe. Belgium may be part of Europe, as per your list, but the other countries you mention are not. Also, just because X country does something different, doesn't mean other countries have to conform to their ideas of what is right or wrong either. Just because they do things that other countries see as backwards, wrong, immoral or otherwise unethical; take your pick... doesn't mean those countries have to accept it. I do not agree with allowing children in bars. I don't see it as needed. It's not a place meant for children (anymore at least), and just because some of them have old customs, doesn't mean they need to continue them. Just like how just because kids used to drink beer back in the day because it was safer than water once upon a time ago, doesn't mean they need to continue to do so. Water is safer now. Besides, most of those bars that have kids in them in those places, probably also serve food as a local restaurant, much like how my old town had a pub doing similar. We went to the local bar to have dinner, we were to go straight to the restaurant side, and behave. We were never allowed to go into the bar side, except to enter/leave the building, since that was the only way in or out anyways for customers. Now, are we good here?
  - grecy 4y ago
    > Also, just because X country does something different, doesn't mean other countries have to conform to their ideas of what is right or wrong either This is in direct opposition to your original comment that says we should ban children from the Internet...
    - Manu40 4y ago
      Not really, since the current topic is about the internet, and that's a global thing. Bars are local. Now, if the internet was more sectionalized like how China has their country firewalled, and North Korea for that matter; then your point would hold water. But we don't have such a system, so your point holds zero water. I merely used bars as an example of where children are not allowed to be in, because generally speaking; most of the world agrees on this sort of matter. Just because a few do things differently (and erroneously at that) doesn't mean we should suddenly do things their way as well. Same idea applies to the internet and spying on client side devices. Just because the UK and Europe are considering doing so, doesn't mean the rest of us should. And we are correct for calling them out on trying to implement such a thing, because they are backwards for doing so. Now, you and me are done on this topic; because now it's getting to a point where the rules of this site are definitely being toed if not breached. Especially by you, and I would rather keep myself on the better side of that line. You have a nice day.
      - grecy 4y ago
        You are suggesting banning children from the internet all around the world, which I am pointing out would be the same as banning children from bars all around the world. Both are Equally non starters because you’re talking about enforcing one set of laws all around the world. Your suggestion can not work.
        Manu40 4y ago

by Manu40 4y ago

grecy 4y ago

> This discussion is about countries where that sort of thing isn't allowed You think Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, etc. etc. shouldn't be included? >Also, it would be a good idea to not assume a persons place of origin while on the internet. Not everyone you think is American, is. Please see the word "if" in my comment.

Manu40 4y ago
> Children in bars is perfectly legal in many countries around the world. Last night I was in a crowded pub with dozens and dozens of kids running all over while everyone 18+ was drinking plenty. > Are you suggesting the laws of one country should be enforced on all countries? > If you are, keep in mind the US is less than 5% of the worlds population, so it’s unlikely to be their laws which get enforced. --------------------------------------------------- {Please see the word "if" in my comment.} Alright, so I did. And I found it. And the way you used it is not in the same function as you are trying to imply at the moment. They way you used it is implying that "If I am suggesting X, then I must be in the US" since your stats you quote are from the US, thus you are implying I must be from the US. That said, I accept that you meant to use it a different manner. But that is how it comes off the way you wrote what you did write. {You think Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, etc. etc. shouldn't be included?} I never said they shouldn't. I am merely saying that the article is about the UK and Europe. Belgium may be part of Europe, as per your list, but the other countries you mention are not. Also, just because X country does something different, doesn't mean other countries have to conform to their ideas of what is right or wrong either. Just because they do things that other countries see as backwards, wrong, immoral or otherwise unethical; take your pick... doesn't mean those countries have to accept it. I do not agree with allowing children in bars. I don't see it as needed. It's not a place meant for children (anymore at least), and just because some of them have old customs, doesn't mean they need to continue them. Just like how just because kids used to drink beer back in the day because it was safer than water once upon a time ago, doesn't mean they need to continue to do so. Water is safer now. Besides, most of those bars that have kids in them in those places, probably also serve food as a local restaurant, much like how my old town had a pub doing similar. We went to the local bar to have dinner, we were to go straight to the restaurant side, and behave. We were never allowed to go into the bar side, except to enter/leave the building, since that was the only way in or out anyways for customers. Now, are we good here?
- grecy 4y ago
  > Also, just because X country does something different, doesn't mean other countries have to conform to their ideas of what is right or wrong either This is in direct opposition to your original comment that says we should ban children from the Internet...
  - Manu40 4y ago
    Not really, since the current topic is about the internet, and that's a global thing. Bars are local. Now, if the internet was more sectionalized like how China has their country firewalled, and North Korea for that matter; then your point would hold water. But we don't have such a system, so your point holds zero water. I merely used bars as an example of where children are not allowed to be in, because generally speaking; most of the world agrees on this sort of matter. Just because a few do things differently (and erroneously at that) doesn't mean we should suddenly do things their way as well. Same idea applies to the internet and spying on client side devices. Just because the UK and Europe are considering doing so, doesn't mean the rest of us should. And we are correct for calling them out on trying to implement such a thing, because they are backwards for doing so. Now, you and me are done on this topic; because now it's getting to a point where the rules of this site are definitely being toed if not breached. Especially by you, and I would rather keep myself on the better side of that line. You have a nice day.
    - grecy 4y ago
      You are suggesting banning children from the internet all around the world, which I am pointing out would be the same as banning children from bars all around the world. Both are Equally non starters because you’re talking about enforcing one set of laws all around the world. Your suggestion can not work.
      - Manu40 4y ago