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> It's damn hard to interact with the world without the internet these days. Want to coordinate with someone? Internet. Want to see when a store is open? Intern
by Manu40 4y ago
> It's damn hard to interact with the world without the internet these days. Want to coordinate with someone? Internet. Want to see when a store is open? Internet. Want to do your homework? Internet (sometimes; hello Google Classroom). Want to see what's playing at the cinema? Internet, mostly.
Sure, yeah it can be. But I guess the point I was trying to go for is that once upon a time ago, we did just fine without the internet. We managed to do all those things without the internet. Imagine what would happen today if we removed everyone from the internet and said "Welcome back to the 1980's"
People would lose their collective shit. Most wouldn't have a clue how to do anything. Heck, it took me a week to get used to having a flip phone again when I did that to myself for a bit to see how I would handle it without a smart phone at least.
> Age makes a difference, of course. But high school aged kids are going to be hard to keep off the internet.
I think this part is where many of us seem to have some sort of disagreement on what is or is not a kid. I do not see teenagers as 'kids'. Sure, I'll call them 'kid' now and then just to razz them, cause teenagers hate it; but otherwise I actually see them as adolescents. I.E. Synonym basically for teenager. It is at this point that I would have less issue with them being on the internet, though with maybe some sort of restrictions in place to help ensure that the... uhm... less intelligent ones... are protected from themselves and others.
> Kids only internet isn't really feasible, even Yahoo killed Yahooligans, which used to live on its own cookie free domain to protect the privacy of kids.
Oh yeah... I forgot about Yahooligans. Okay, fair point.
> Anyway, some of the predators are kids too, so that doesn't really solve the issue.
Yeah... Not much you can do about that except catch them in the act and try to fix the problem before they become adult predators...
> There's also the issue that it's probably easier for an adult to impersonate a child to get access than for a child to impersonate an adult to get access... but that's not hard either.
This is why I was saying in my edit that there are potential loopholes if you even allow the parents onto the "kidternet"
> The Internet is a dangerous place, but it's also an important place to be. As children get older, we (parents, community, etc) need to teach them how to spot and avoid the dangers. Just like we do with other dangerous and important places.
Agreed. I just wish the government would stop trying to use red herring type things (is it a red herring, not sure.) to try to inject themselves further into our lives to control us all under a ruse of protecting children we all know they actually give zero shits about.
If they did, then my original point about kids being restricted from the internet would have been made law long ago. Governments may seem incompetent, but that's just part of their bag of parlor tricks. (IMHO)
Anyways, I'm gonna go play some games now. I need to relax again, lol. Dealing with a case of oral thrush induced by marijuana edibles, and stress. (The marijuana was to help the stress, but now I can't have the marijuana...)
Here's a link to help prove the concept of my condition.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32857052/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32857052/
- toast0 4y ago> Sure, yeah it can be. But I guess the point I was trying to go for is that once upon a time ago, we did just fine without the internet. We managed to do all those things without the internet. Imagine what would happen today if we removed everyone from the internet and said "Welcome back to the 1980's" Sure, but in the 1980s (and even the 1990s), the local movie chain bought an advertisement in the newspaper to list their theaters and showtimes. My local paper lists what theaters are playing what in the friday paper, but not when; and since I'm in the outer reaches, only one of my local cinemas is listed. I can't remember if they list a phone number. In the 80s, and even through the 00s, working payphones were commonplace. Now, if we cosplay 1980s, you can't call anybody while you're out, cause the payphones are broken or missing. Plus, everybody's phone numbers are from where they used to live, and you'd need a lot more coins to call them. There's all sorts of specialty stores that used to be local, but you can't buy local anymore, because they lost to internet retail. There does happen to be a typewriter repair near me, but not near most others, I might be able to get enough computer parts at BestBuy, but maybe not. Anyway... good luck with your relaxing!
- Manu40 4y agoHey. I relaxed, I'm back, and I'll reply now. But I'm probably going to go again after this, cause it's getting late. Yeah, so... I think what we have here is a situation where different people living in different places have different things going on. Where I am, people still use phonebook ads, and stuff like that. restaurants are still spending thousands on that sort of thing for example. Why? Hotels and motels. Their customers don't always have internet available somehow. Even with cellphones being practically ubiquitous nowadays. Going further north here in Canada, you can actually still find payphones in some places where services like internet are lacking. But that's more of an exception now, I must admit. > There's all sorts of specialty stores that used to be local, but you can't buy local anymore, because they lost to internet retail. There does happen to be a typewriter repair near me, but not near most others, I might be able to get enough computer parts at BestBuy, but maybe not. This is slowly becoming a thing here in Canada too, but where I am in one of the bigger cities we have up here, most local businesses are still in business. I guess we can thank our Liberal government for that one, since they basically bailed out a lot of the businesses with all that money they gave everyone. But now with the interest rate hikes and inflation rate that comes with all that easy money... We'll see what happens. A lot of places did go under as well, but that was for varying reasons that are hard to speak about in a single discussion. Restaurants again, for instance; are touch and go by my opinion. I think the worst ones lasted through it, cause they didn't mind cutting corners that they could while following the rules they couldn't cut corners on. Meanwhile, the ones who followed all the rules and letter of the law, did worse. And so we lost some places that way. I wouldn't be surprised if its mostly the same for other small businesses of similar nature, following the rules and what not. My current job for instance, is one such place. They had to shut down for many months, just so they could guarantee they could stay in business once they re-opened. Many places tried to just stay open... as I understand. This place runs on a reservations model, so Uber Eats and other such companies definitely weren't going to save their bacon. Not like other places I have worked at, and have potential lawsuits against if I decide to spend the money to take them to court. (I'm not kidding when I say a lot of places seemed to just say fuck it to the rules and regulations.) Anyways, that's all side tracked topic. Getting back to the main point. Internet. Yes, it's proving to be quite useful to society in many ways. So many, that people are starting to have a hard time figuring out how to live life without it. And so I think that's a perfect reason to make sure that children understand what life is like without it. That way if/when it goes down; they aren't caught by surprise when they are older and have no idea how to live life anymore. Besides, No one was really using typewriters anymore in the 90's... except maybe some people like me. (I'm weird, okay!) I learned to type on a typewriter before I got a word processor, and that was before I got a computer. The pay off is I have a blazing fast typing speed now, but holy shit were those things awful. The mechanisms for typewriters basically had a max speed. If you tried to go faster, you would jam the machine, very easily. Word processors weren't much better, since you could type faster, but you had a single little LCD screen to see your words being typed... Computers were a god send, but even then I didn't have internet until later because all we had access to was dial up; and my mother refused to share the phoneline with the internet access. (it was also very expensive to have it, or to get a second line just for the internet.) So we went for years without internet before getting dial up, and then everyone else was on DSL while we still had a 56k modem in use. Anyways, the point I am trying to make here is this. If there is a will, there is a way. People will find a way, once there is a will to do it. I guarantee it. But we will never have a reason to do it, if we just keep on going with the flow of things. Not always a bad thing that, going with the flow. But that's also how buffalo jumps operate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_jump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_jump