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I think theres a pretty good niche to be carved out here, the Raspberry Pi Pico is just too minimal to run Linux or another "full" operating system like it, w

I think theres a pretty good niche to be carved out here, the Raspberry Pi Pico is just too minimal to run Linux or another "full" operating system like it, which can give you several quality of life features for free especially networking related ones like DHCP/mDNS/etc... meanwhile the Raspberry Pi Zero family are all but impossible to get in stock to experiment with let alone rely on getting a hold of, its more powerful than you need for a lot of smaller applications. I've got one use where it was the only good choice but it always rubbed me the wrong way I was seeing such a big premium in getting a Zero W + shipping (locals never in stock) + time spent hunting, just to get USB-OTG to pretend to be a keyboard and have linux networking for 3-way network based auto-discovery service between the 3 devices I was building. The Ox64 can definitely be a very competitive new product in the "low end but not arduino" area, I wont be surprised if this quickly becomes one of the best supported devices Pine ever make once a lot of people have gotten their hands on it and started tinkering.

karmanyaahm 4y ago
> which can give you several quality of life features for free especially networking related ones like DHCP/mDNS/etc > just to get USB-OTG to pretend to be a keyboard and have linux networking for 3-way network based auto-discovery service between the 3 devices I was building The Ox64 and Pi Zero W have another advantage over the Pico: USB 2.0. I had a somewhat similar use case, bridging a USB stream to a TCP connection. Unfortunately, the device I was using had a non-compliant HS (12Mbit) USB implementation and in the end it was just simpler to use an Orange Pi Zero than mess around with the Pico. However, Linux boot times are atrocious, in the 30 second range. This is where the Ox64 might shine, having USB 2.0, but also running a (presumably) minimal RTOS with boot times far faster than Debian.
- Oxodao 4y ago
  > However, Linux boot times are atrocious, in the 30 second range. That's wrong. It takes time to optimize it but as long as you're willing to make the effort and don't have too much dependencies you can strip a lot of stuff to make it really quick e.g.: https://www.furkantokac.com/rpi3-fast-boot-less-than-2-seconds/ https://www.furkantokac.com/rpi3-fast-boot-less-than-2-secon... Not sure if you can do this easily on OPIZ since it's a RPi clone it might be less open

karmanyaahm 4y ago

> which can give you several quality of life features for free especially networking related ones like DHCP/mDNS/etc > just to get USB-OTG to pretend to be a keyboard and have linux networking for 3-way network based auto-discovery service between the 3 devices I was building The Ox64 and Pi Zero W have another advantage over the Pico: USB 2.0. I had a somewhat similar use case, bridging a USB stream to a TCP connection. Unfortunately, the device I was using had a non-compliant HS (12Mbit) USB implementation and in the end it was just simpler to use an Orange Pi Zero than mess around with the Pico. However, Linux boot times are atrocious, in the 30 second range. This is where the Ox64 might shine, having USB 2.0, but also running a (presumably) minimal RTOS with boot times far faster than Debian.

Oxodao 4y ago
> However, Linux boot times are atrocious, in the 30 second range. That's wrong. It takes time to optimize it but as long as you're willing to make the effort and don't have too much dependencies you can strip a lot of stuff to make it really quick e.g.: https://www.furkantokac.com/rpi3-fast-boot-less-than-2-seconds/ https://www.furkantokac.com/rpi3-fast-boot-less-than-2-secon... Not sure if you can do this easily on OPIZ since it's a RPi clone it might be less open