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Seems to me it's normal to be skeptical of unproven claims, especially when the only precedent didn't do the thing being claimed. Anything is possible, but ther

Seems to me it's normal to be skeptical of unproven claims, especially when the only precedent didn't do the thing being claimed. Anything is possible, but there is certainly not any precedent at this point. I find it super weird when we see these "what's next for mRNA" articles, when it didn't actually solve a problem. It's almost like they were written right when the vaccines first came out and looked really promising, and then nobody followed up. Cure one thing with mRNA, even one already solved like polio or something, and then maybe we can say it works and build on that. A failed covid vaccine is not really a milestone that supports further uses

smt88 4y ago
> skeptical of unproven claims Billions of people have taken Covid vaccines. If the thousands of resulting studies don't "prove" anything to you, then you've already decided what to believe and have no interest in what the data says. > the only precedent didn't do the thing being claimed What? "Cure" the disease? According to literally every expert, no vaccine is 100% effective[1]. If your big "gotcha" is that Covid wasn't cured by the vaccines, I hate to break it to you: that's a straw man, not something anyone with an understanding of the immune system claimed. What the vaccines did do was dramatically reduce hospitalizations and deaths, which is what they were supposed to do. > and then nobody followed up Are you fucking kidding me? You honestly think "no one followed up" on whether Covid vaccines work? You think the manufacturers didn't repeatedly report results, governments didn't investigate it, and every public health agency ignored it? > Cure one thing with mRNA, even one already solved like polio or something, and then maybe we can say it works and build on that. Again, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand what vaccines do and how they work. We've already seen immunotherapy cure cancers. It doesn't work for everyone though. The purpose of the mRNA cancer vaccines is to more easily administer immunotherapy (by "training" the immune system to attack cancerous cells) which we know will not cure 100% of people. 1. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/history/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/history/ind...

smt88 4y ago

> skeptical of unproven claims Billions of people have taken Covid vaccines. If the thousands of resulting studies don't "prove" anything to you, then you've already decided what to believe and have no interest in what the data says. > the only precedent didn't do the thing being claimed What? "Cure" the disease? According to literally every expert, no vaccine is 100% effective[1]. If your big "gotcha" is that Covid wasn't cured by the vaccines, I hate to break it to you: that's a straw man, not something anyone with an understanding of the immune system claimed. What the vaccines did do was dramatically reduce hospitalizations and deaths, which is what they were supposed to do. > and then nobody followed up Are you fucking kidding me? You honestly think "no one followed up" on whether Covid vaccines work? You think the manufacturers didn't repeatedly report results, governments didn't investigate it, and every public health agency ignored it? > Cure one thing with mRNA, even one already solved like polio or something, and then maybe we can say it works and build on that. Again, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand what vaccines do and how they work. We've already seen immunotherapy cure cancers. It doesn't work for everyone though. The purpose of the mRNA cancer vaccines is to more easily administer immunotherapy (by "training" the immune system to attack cancerous cells) which we know will not cure 100% of people. 1. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/history/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/history/ind...