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innuendos without elaborating? Really? Even a 6 year old kid can do that.

mysecretaccount 4y ago
If you're genuinely curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model
- illiac786 4y ago
  I am curious about what your arguments are, but you refuse to name them. Sending me the definition of propaganda seems to indicate you think I don't know what propaganda is, I find this assumption very audacious on HN.
  - mysecretaccount 4y ago
    That is not a link to the definition of propaganda. Did you click the link?
    - illiac786 4y ago
      This a link to the Wikipedia article on propaganda. It's the definition and more. Again, not answering my question.
      - mysecretaccount 4y ago
        > This a link to the Wikipedia article on propaganda. It is not. It is a link to a Wikipedia article summarizing Herman and Chomsky's propaganda model. If you are genuinely curious why people argue that US mass media is state controlled, you would be hard pressed to find a better starting point than that page. You are not genuinely curious though, so feel free to move on.
        illiac786 4y ago
        Still haven't answered my very simple question. Just drifting off topic. You are right, I had already forgotten what the link was about. It's a Wikipedia article unrelated to my question. Unless you can demonstrate how this article demonstrate that media are state controlled in the "western world". Also please feel free to define "western world", this might actually be interesting as I might then be able to find a country not on your list and hence a media not state controlled, according to your theory.
djbebs 4y ago
- illiac786 4y ago
  I can access this site yes, but I fail to see what your point is. You are saying the Russia Today has a different opinion? This is your source?
  - djbebs 4y ago
    I'm saying the EU has censored rt, and subsequently it has censored me.
    - illiac786 4y ago
      Original statement: > Western media in most western countries isn’t state controlled What is the relation between you being allegedly censored (as it appears you publish on Russia Today) and this? I really enjoy the irony of this because if there is one medium which really is state controlled, it's RT.
      - djbebs 4y ago
        I dont publish on rt, but im being prevented from accessing it by the EU. Censorship isn't just being prevented to speak, but also being prevented from listening. This is merely a method through which the EU is controlling speech, just like the authoritarians they decry
        illiac786 4y ago
        Still have not answered my question... I will entertain your off topic point. 1. You are slightly hindered to access Russia Today at most, either this or you are technically very incompetent for someone hanging around on HN. It is highly unlikely you are actually not able to load this page, rather you pretend you can't to support your theory. Seriously, just lookup "how to access RT in Europe". What a horribly crap job European countries would be doing if they were not blocking this kind of searches, don't you think? 2. Thousands of media sources from Asia, Africa, America, Europe, are perfectly reachable for you. One is (barely) blocked and you assume a conspiracy. I think you don't understand how state control works. Go live in China or Russia and let me know how many international news outlet you can read. This is actual state control.

If you're genuinely curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model

illiac786 4y ago
I am curious about what your arguments are, but you refuse to name them. Sending me the definition of propaganda seems to indicate you think I don't know what propaganda is, I find this assumption very audacious on HN.
- mysecretaccount 4y ago
  That is not a link to the definition of propaganda. Did you click the link?
  - illiac786 4y ago
    This a link to the Wikipedia article on propaganda. It's the definition and more. Again, not answering my question.
    - mysecretaccount 4y ago
      > This a link to the Wikipedia article on propaganda. It is not. It is a link to a Wikipedia article summarizing Herman and Chomsky's propaganda model. If you are genuinely curious why people argue that US mass media is state controlled, you would be hard pressed to find a better starting point than that page. You are not genuinely curious though, so feel free to move on.
      - illiac786 4y ago
        Still haven't answered my very simple question. Just drifting off topic. You are right, I had already forgotten what the link was about. It's a Wikipedia article unrelated to my question. Unless you can demonstrate how this article demonstrate that media are state controlled in the "western world". Also please feel free to define "western world", this might actually be interesting as I might then be able to find a country not on your list and hence a media not state controlled, according to your theory.

djbebs 4y ago

illiac786 4y ago
I can access this site yes, but I fail to see what your point is. You are saying the Russia Today has a different opinion? This is your source?
- djbebs 4y ago
  I'm saying the EU has censored rt, and subsequently it has censored me.
  - illiac786 4y ago
    Original statement: > Western media in most western countries isn’t state controlled What is the relation between you being allegedly censored (as it appears you publish on Russia Today) and this? I really enjoy the irony of this because if there is one medium which really is state controlled, it's RT.
    - djbebs 4y ago
      I dont publish on rt, but im being prevented from accessing it by the EU. Censorship isn't just being prevented to speak, but also being prevented from listening. This is merely a method through which the EU is controlling speech, just like the authoritarians they decry
      - illiac786 4y ago
        Still have not answered my question... I will entertain your off topic point. 1. You are slightly hindered to access Russia Today at most, either this or you are technically very incompetent for someone hanging around on HN. It is highly unlikely you are actually not able to load this page, rather you pretend you can't to support your theory. Seriously, just lookup "how to access RT in Europe". What a horribly crap job European countries would be doing if they were not blocking this kind of searches, don't you think? 2. Thousands of media sources from Asia, Africa, America, Europe, are perfectly reachable for you. One is (barely) blocked and you assume a conspiracy. I think you don't understand how state control works. Go live in China or Russia and let me know how many international news outlet you can read. This is actual state control.