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Who cares? Why are people so protective of Tesla?

by guelo 4y ago

judge2020 4y ago
From the articles linked throughout this thread there were two EV fires during Ian and none of them reported on the brand of the car that caught fire. Why harp on a company that has 0 implied involvement, besides by being the company that originally brought the technology to market?
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Spivak 4y ago
- fortran77 4y ago
  > 2. Tesla is a stock people who aren’t really into investing own. The #2 and #3 holders of Tesla stock are The Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (VTSAX) and The Vanguard 500 Index Fund (VFIAX) ...so it's safe to say that all sorts of people are interested in Tesla stock.
  - lgessler 4y ago
    I think you misread GP
    - fortran77 4y ago
      I don't think so. He implied that people "not really into investing" own Tesla, and I wanted to show that it's widely invested, even by large institutions, not just people who aren't sophisticated and want a "brand name" stock.
- natch 4y ago
  Tesla stans are vastly outnumbered by smug gasholes who are gullible enough to believe every oil industry placed lie and propaganda piece they read, and arrogant enough to think they are correct in their ignorance, so there’s a bit of a persecution complex among the Tesla stans.
  - Spivak 4y ago
    Fascinating! This is the first I’m hearing of the anti-Tesla sentiment actually being an oil industry psyop. I don’t think that’s very likely simply because the media reports far far more on Tesla vis a vis Elon and EV tech in general simply because it’s new and has things worth reporting on. You’re absolutely right that Tesla stans have a persecution complex and it’s not at all unexpected because you take the literal years of the Tesla evangelism strike force, and “Tesla Face” where any and all criticism of EVs not being a solution for every driver and Tesla not being gods gift to the car industry and, and Elon not being EV Jesus breaker of business models met with dogpiling by Tesla stans that would make kpop and mcr fans blush. It follows the formula exactly that today with Elon making an ass of himself publicly on the regular and the reality of the actual cars being just kinda fine that the internet is having its moment of having a laugh at their expense which would put any fan on the defensive. Tesla is going through all the normal obsessive fandom phases like you would expect from 14 year old girls in 2014 on Tumblr obsessed with Dr. Who. It has almost nothing at all to do with the cars.
    - natch 4y ago
      > This is the first I’m hearing of the anti-Tesla sentiment actually being an oil industry psyop. It’s not anti-Tesla it’s anti sustainable energy. One of the books Elon most frequently recommends (and I mean very frequently… if this is the first you’re hearing of it, that’s kind of a red flag that you don’t know your topic!) is Merchants of Doubt, which is about how massive corporate interests (on scales that dwarf Tesla… think big tobacco and big oil) historically have funded biased and ethically compromised research and journalism to advance their agendas (as well as, of course, lobbying, no surprise there). I don’t know if big oil and big your-dad’s-auto are doing this now, but the motivation is there, so it’s a fair bet that they are. And then there are short sellers. And then individuals who have to rationalize their purchase of a $70,000 gas Audi because nicer leather. But yeah I agree Tesla is going through obsessive fandom phases.
dpkirchner 4y ago
People are strangely defensive of Tesla and anything Musk, it's bizarre. He doesn't need us as boosters.
- pstuart 4y ago
  Humans are apparently wired for worship and celebrities and famous folk are our handmade gods. I like what Musk has done to change the debate on EVs as well as refactoring space travel with a highly iterative process. Same thing with Jobs in how Apple changed our relationship with computing. In both cases, these men are not to be at all admired for their personal conduct but it cannot be denied that they put a dent in the universe. The power of an intelligent, driven, and charismatic asshole is impressive.
natch 4y ago
Who cares about global warming? The second coming is at hand. /s
s1artibartfast 4y ago
I thought I explained the reason why in my post. I want objective information. I dont care if it is good or bad for Tesla, but the sloppyness with which most people write about Teslas gets in the way

Who cares? Why are people so protective of Tesla?

by guelo 4y ago

Who cares? Why are people so protective of Tesla?

judge2020 4y ago

From the articles linked throughout this thread there were two EV fires during Ian and none of them reported on the brand of the car that caught fire. Why harp on a company that has 0 implied involvement, besides by being the company that originally brought the technology to market?

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Spivak 4y ago

fortran77 4y ago
> 2. Tesla is a stock people who aren’t really into investing own. The #2 and #3 holders of Tesla stock are The Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (VTSAX) and The Vanguard 500 Index Fund (VFIAX) ...so it's safe to say that all sorts of people are interested in Tesla stock.
- lgessler 4y ago
  I think you misread GP
  - fortran77 4y ago
    I don't think so. He implied that people "not really into investing" own Tesla, and I wanted to show that it's widely invested, even by large institutions, not just people who aren't sophisticated and want a "brand name" stock.
natch 4y ago
Tesla stans are vastly outnumbered by smug gasholes who are gullible enough to believe every oil industry placed lie and propaganda piece they read, and arrogant enough to think they are correct in their ignorance, so there’s a bit of a persecution complex among the Tesla stans.
- Spivak 4y ago
  Fascinating! This is the first I’m hearing of the anti-Tesla sentiment actually being an oil industry psyop. I don’t think that’s very likely simply because the media reports far far more on Tesla vis a vis Elon and EV tech in general simply because it’s new and has things worth reporting on. You’re absolutely right that Tesla stans have a persecution complex and it’s not at all unexpected because you take the literal years of the Tesla evangelism strike force, and “Tesla Face” where any and all criticism of EVs not being a solution for every driver and Tesla not being gods gift to the car industry and, and Elon not being EV Jesus breaker of business models met with dogpiling by Tesla stans that would make kpop and mcr fans blush. It follows the formula exactly that today with Elon making an ass of himself publicly on the regular and the reality of the actual cars being just kinda fine that the internet is having its moment of having a laugh at their expense which would put any fan on the defensive. Tesla is going through all the normal obsessive fandom phases like you would expect from 14 year old girls in 2014 on Tumblr obsessed with Dr. Who. It has almost nothing at all to do with the cars.
  - natch 4y ago
    > This is the first I’m hearing of the anti-Tesla sentiment actually being an oil industry psyop. It’s not anti-Tesla it’s anti sustainable energy. One of the books Elon most frequently recommends (and I mean very frequently… if this is the first you’re hearing of it, that’s kind of a red flag that you don’t know your topic!) is Merchants of Doubt, which is about how massive corporate interests (on scales that dwarf Tesla… think big tobacco and big oil) historically have funded biased and ethically compromised research and journalism to advance their agendas (as well as, of course, lobbying, no surprise there). I don’t know if big oil and big your-dad’s-auto are doing this now, but the motivation is there, so it’s a fair bet that they are. And then there are short sellers. And then individuals who have to rationalize their purchase of a $70,000 gas Audi because nicer leather. But yeah I agree Tesla is going through obsessive fandom phases.

dpkirchner 4y ago

People are strangely defensive of Tesla and anything Musk, it's bizarre. He doesn't need us as boosters.

pstuart 4y ago
Humans are apparently wired for worship and celebrities and famous folk are our handmade gods. I like what Musk has done to change the debate on EVs as well as refactoring space travel with a highly iterative process. Same thing with Jobs in how Apple changed our relationship with computing. In both cases, these men are not to be at all admired for their personal conduct but it cannot be denied that they put a dent in the universe. The power of an intelligent, driven, and charismatic asshole is impressive.

natch 4y ago

Who cares about global warming? The second coming is at hand. /s

s1artibartfast 4y ago

I thought I explained the reason why in my post. I want objective information. I dont care if it is good or bad for Tesla, but the sloppyness with which most people write about Teslas gets in the way