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JavaScript is ranked 5th on the ranking you linked to. 4 ranks before .Net.

maccard 4y ago
I was hesitant as to how much I should go into this because you get into the semantics of the benchmark but this [0] thread goes into why - that particular implementation doesn't behave the same way as the other implementations, it uses a different db driver that doesn't synchronise, which won't be allowed in the next version of the benchmarks. Techempower publish regular snapshots of their benchmarks at [1], and if you look at any of the snapshots that aren't the last published set where the discrepancy was fixed you'll see that all of the js implementations lag far far behind. [0] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/issues/7289 https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/issues/72... [1] https://tfb-status.techempower.com/ https://tfb-status.techempower.com/
- xaduha 4y ago
  Are you sure about your conclusion though? Apart from just-js missing in action in last 3 runs, here it's just fine https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=test&runid=ecfbe3c9-f577-4836-9403-41f9120dfc6e https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=test&runid=e...
  - billywhizz 4y ago
    they upgraded postgres recently and it uses a different default authentication mechanism which broke just-js. they seem to have stopped doing runs right now so just-js should re-appear when they start again.
- billywhizz 4y ago
  i'm sorry but this is not true. postgres pipelining is not allowed in the benchmarks any more, and even when it was, just-js was completely compliant with the rules and it was other C++, PHP, Rust and C# frameworks that were non compliant. the postgres driver was rewritten in JS because i spent so long benchmarking using the pg C driver and couldn't get the performance i needed from it. if you actually read the github thread you can see i even did a lot of work to verify the various frameworks were compliant with the requirements. in round 21, postgres pipelining was disallowed for all frameworks and just-js/JavaScript is in first place. \o/ https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21&hw=ph&test=composite https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21&hw=...
user432678 4y ago
Just-js is not really a Javascript: https://github.com/just-js/just https://github.com/just-js/just. .Net in that list much closer to what everyone assumes.Net is.
- xaduha 4y ago
  Looks like Javascript to me https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/tree/master/frameworks/JavaScript/just https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/tree/mast...
  - leeoniya 4y ago
    https://just.billywhizz.io/blog/ https://just.billywhizz.io/blog/
  - billywhizz 4y ago
    it is! people who love bashing JavaScript always come up with this line that just-js "is not JavaScript". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - user432678 4y ago
      Oh, come on! I am in fact a front end developer. And when I saw the result first time a few years ago, I was surprised and wanted to use this “just JS”, but the reality was quite far from what I was expecting. It might look like JS, but if you check the source code of the app for the benchmark, you’ll realise that it looks more like C or C++. More details in this thread: https://github.com/just-js/just/issues/5 https://github.com/just-js/just/issues/5

I was hesitant as to how much I should go into this because you get into the semantics of the benchmark but this [0] thread goes into why - that particular implementation doesn't behave the same way as the other implementations, it uses a different db driver that doesn't synchronise, which won't be allowed in the next version of the benchmarks. Techempower publish regular snapshots of their benchmarks at [1], and if you look at any of the snapshots that aren't the last published set where the discrepancy was fixed you'll see that all of the js implementations lag far far behind. [0] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/issues/7289 https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/issues/72... [1] https://tfb-status.techempower.com/ https://tfb-status.techempower.com/

xaduha 4y ago
Are you sure about your conclusion though? Apart from just-js missing in action in last 3 runs, here it's just fine https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=test&runid=ecfbe3c9-f577-4836-9403-41f9120dfc6e https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=test&runid=e...
- billywhizz 4y ago
  they upgraded postgres recently and it uses a different default authentication mechanism which broke just-js. they seem to have stopped doing runs right now so just-js should re-appear when they start again.
billywhizz 4y ago
i'm sorry but this is not true. postgres pipelining is not allowed in the benchmarks any more, and even when it was, just-js was completely compliant with the rules and it was other C++, PHP, Rust and C# frameworks that were non compliant. the postgres driver was rewritten in JS because i spent so long benchmarking using the pg C driver and couldn't get the performance i needed from it. if you actually read the github thread you can see i even did a lot of work to verify the various frameworks were compliant with the requirements. in round 21, postgres pipelining was disallowed for all frameworks and just-js/JavaScript is in first place. \o/ https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21&hw=ph&test=composite https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21&hw=...

user432678 4y ago

Just-js is not really a Javascript: https://github.com/just-js/just https://github.com/just-js/just. .Net in that list much closer to what everyone assumes.Net is.

xaduha 4y ago
Looks like Javascript to me https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/tree/master/frameworks/JavaScript/just https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/tree/mast...
- leeoniya 4y ago
  https://just.billywhizz.io/blog/ https://just.billywhizz.io/blog/
- billywhizz 4y ago
  it is! people who love bashing JavaScript always come up with this line that just-js "is not JavaScript". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - user432678 4y ago
    Oh, come on! I am in fact a front end developer. And when I saw the result first time a few years ago, I was surprised and wanted to use this “just JS”, but the reality was quite far from what I was expecting. It might look like JS, but if you check the source code of the app for the benchmark, you’ll realise that it looks more like C or C++. More details in this thread: https://github.com/just-js/just/issues/5 https://github.com/just-js/just/issues/5