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>but my impression from this is that locals are quite proud of their cosmopolitan past and "moro" Literally no one is. There is a vast difference between givi

>but my impression from this is that locals are quite proud of their cosmopolitan past and "moro" Literally no one is. There is a vast difference between giving credit for a given concept/tool/technique because it's useful, and thinking the locals have sort of ancestral connection with a foreign invader.

jvican 4y ago
Don't speak for a whole country. There are people that are proud of this heritage, like me, and many more, especially in the places where Moorish culture had a stronghold (e.g. Andalusia, C. Valenciana, Murcia, etc.)
- elnatro 4y ago
  - asabil 4y ago
    I find it hard to believe that there would be no cultural heritage after ~700 years. What I think you want to say is that the "identity" of modern Spain and Portugal has been shaped and defined by its opposition to the moor/muslim/north-african identity.
    - spookie 4y ago
      I do disagree with your last sentence, a lot of Portuguese are proud of their north-african connections. Most families come from "newly-christians" after all (and you gotta blame Spain's Phillips for that one).
      - asabil 4y ago
        I have to admit that I included Portugal without giving it much thought. I was honestly mostly thinking about Spain and added Portugal assuming they would be the same from the perspective of identity. I stand corrected.
      - Ligma123 4y ago
        I'd really like to know how you reach the conclusion of "most families" when we are talking about two ethno-religious minorities, that allegedly were victims of indiscriminate killings, and mass deportations to the Low Lands, North Africa and to the Americas, but end up leaving a gigantic genetic footprint. At least be coherent.
        spookie 4y ago
        It's easy to know who comes from a "newly-christian" family in Portugal. Their surnames are those of trees or animals. I know this cause I'm one, and I'm Portuguese.
        Ligma123 4y ago
        >Their surnames are those of trees or animals. Not every Pereira or Coelho is descendent of new Christians. Some sure, but definitely not all.
    - elnatro 4y ago
      Granada was dominated by the Moors for 700 years. The rest of the Spain (and Portugal) wasn’t. Later Medieval-era Spanish identity was anti-Moor but not always was the case. Keep in mind that the country of Spain did not exit until the 1500s.
    - elnatro 4y ago
  - elnatro 4y ago

jvican 4y ago

Don't speak for a whole country. There are people that are proud of this heritage, like me, and many more, especially in the places where Moorish culture had a stronghold (e.g. Andalusia, C. Valenciana, Murcia, etc.)

elnatro 4y ago
- asabil 4y ago
  I find it hard to believe that there would be no cultural heritage after ~700 years. What I think you want to say is that the "identity" of modern Spain and Portugal has been shaped and defined by its opposition to the moor/muslim/north-african identity.
  - spookie 4y ago
    I do disagree with your last sentence, a lot of Portuguese are proud of their north-african connections. Most families come from "newly-christians" after all (and you gotta blame Spain's Phillips for that one).
    - asabil 4y ago
      I have to admit that I included Portugal without giving it much thought. I was honestly mostly thinking about Spain and added Portugal assuming they would be the same from the perspective of identity. I stand corrected.
    - Ligma123 4y ago
      I'd really like to know how you reach the conclusion of "most families" when we are talking about two ethno-religious minorities, that allegedly were victims of indiscriminate killings, and mass deportations to the Low Lands, North Africa and to the Americas, but end up leaving a gigantic genetic footprint. At least be coherent.
      - spookie 4y ago
        It's easy to know who comes from a "newly-christian" family in Portugal. Their surnames are those of trees or animals. I know this cause I'm one, and I'm Portuguese.
        Ligma123 4y ago
        >Their surnames are those of trees or animals. Not every Pereira or Coelho is descendent of new Christians. Some sure, but definitely not all.
  - elnatro 4y ago
    Granada was dominated by the Moors for 700 years. The rest of the Spain (and Portugal) wasn’t. Later Medieval-era Spanish identity was anti-Moor but not always was the case. Keep in mind that the country of Spain did not exit until the 1500s.
  - elnatro 4y ago
- elnatro 4y ago