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Google has refused to cooperate with authoritarian governments and even left China over it. Unlike Apple and MS...

by Mikeb85 4y ago

Shugyousha 4y ago
AFAIK they have been back in China for a few years again though ...
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  Not really... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China
- gloryjulio 4y ago
  Not sure what your a talking about. Google/Fb/Twitter etc are all banned in China. The major surviving ones are Microsoft and Apple.
gloryjulio 4y ago
This. Now iOS is starting to turning to ads business. Apple is officially worse than Google.
- Tagbert 4y ago
  Why is Apple worse? Because they have a limited ads business?
  - gloryjulio 4y ago
    Because of hypocrisy? They pretend to be not in ads business with your data So now everyone is doing the same thing so called value the 'privacy' (aka only they could collect the data for themselves to do personalized ads). So in the end you pick the one who hoard ur data and show the ads. What's the difference again?
steelframe 4y ago
Apple's "cooperation" with authoritarian governments tends to only go so far as it needs to in order for the next iPhone to come out on time and in sufficient supply. Otherwise Apple bends heaven and earth to engineer their devices to be as secure as they can make them, even against state authorities. That said, if you live in China, you probably don't want to sync your stuff to iCloud. Not because Apple doesn't want to protect your data, but more because you can't trust anything in any data centers that are physically on Chinese soil. But let's get real. If you're in mainland China and the authorities decide they need to confiscate your phone, you're already fscked.
- jsnell 4y ago
  > Apple's "cooperation" with authoritarian governments tends to only go so far as it needs to in order for the next iPhone to come out on time and in sufficient supply That statement is kind of information-free. If China knows they have Apple completely over the barrel, why wouldn't they demand a lot? But for how they cooperate, Apple's own transparency report shows they give information on Apple customers to Chinese authorities thousands of times per year, and accept the vast majority of requests: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/cn.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/cn.html Likewise in Russia: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ru.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ru.html
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  Digging through the link the other commentator posted, Apple complied with 88% of Russia's requests for information and 94% of China's with over 1000 requests from each of those nations... Versus Google which has avoided giving information to or censoring search results in both countries and as a result is mostly banned.
  - kgeist 4y ago
    None of Google's services are banned in Russia.
    - Mikeb85 4y ago
trasz 4y ago
Google, being US-based company, is legally obliged to provide all the data they have to three letter agencies, without any real oversight. They can’t refuse even if they wanted.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  And same goes for MS and Apple. Regardless, I care less about the US government having my info than, say, Russia (especially being part Ukrainian, having Ukrainian friends and family, etc...).
  - trasz 4y ago
    Sure, but there’s a fundamental difference between Russia and China - about as big as between Burma and US.

Google has refused to cooperate with authoritarian governments and even left China over it. Unlike Apple and MS...

Shugyousha 4y ago

AFAIK they have been back in China for a few years again though ...

Mikeb85 4y ago
Not really... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China
gloryjulio 4y ago
Not sure what your a talking about. Google/Fb/Twitter etc are all banned in China. The major surviving ones are Microsoft and Apple.

gloryjulio 4y ago

This. Now iOS is starting to turning to ads business. Apple is officially worse than Google.

Tagbert 4y ago
Why is Apple worse? Because they have a limited ads business?
- gloryjulio 4y ago
  Because of hypocrisy? They pretend to be not in ads business with your data So now everyone is doing the same thing so called value the 'privacy' (aka only they could collect the data for themselves to do personalized ads). So in the end you pick the one who hoard ur data and show the ads. What's the difference again?

steelframe 4y ago

Apple's "cooperation" with authoritarian governments tends to only go so far as it needs to in order for the next iPhone to come out on time and in sufficient supply. Otherwise Apple bends heaven and earth to engineer their devices to be as secure as they can make them, even against state authorities. That said, if you live in China, you probably don't want to sync your stuff to iCloud. Not because Apple doesn't want to protect your data, but more because you can't trust anything in any data centers that are physically on Chinese soil. But let's get real. If you're in mainland China and the authorities decide they need to confiscate your phone, you're already fscked.

jsnell 4y ago
> Apple's "cooperation" with authoritarian governments tends to only go so far as it needs to in order for the next iPhone to come out on time and in sufficient supply That statement is kind of information-free. If China knows they have Apple completely over the barrel, why wouldn't they demand a lot? But for how they cooperate, Apple's own transparency report shows they give information on Apple customers to Chinese authorities thousands of times per year, and accept the vast majority of requests: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/cn.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/cn.html Likewise in Russia: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ru.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ru.html
Mikeb85 4y ago
Digging through the link the other commentator posted, Apple complied with 88% of Russia's requests for information and 94% of China's with over 1000 requests from each of those nations... Versus Google which has avoided giving information to or censoring search results in both countries and as a result is mostly banned.
- kgeist 4y ago
  None of Google's services are banned in Russia.
  - Mikeb85 4y ago

trasz 4y ago

Google, being US-based company, is legally obliged to provide all the data they have to three letter agencies, without any real oversight. They can’t refuse even if they wanted.

Mikeb85 4y ago
And same goes for MS and Apple. Regardless, I care less about the US government having my info than, say, Russia (especially being part Ukrainian, having Ukrainian friends and family, etc...).
- trasz 4y ago
  Sure, but there’s a fundamental difference between Russia and China - about as big as between Burma and US.