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The reason why I’m not adopting C# is because I’m never going to be a windows user.

by cplusplusfellow 4y ago

hardware2win 4y ago
It works on Linux just fine
- ok123456 4y ago
  Problem is the mono C# compiler is several years behind Roslyn in terms of features. It's pretty much a non-starter if you don't have nullable types in 2022.
  - Jtsummers 4y ago
    https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download Works fine on non-Windows systems (well, Linux and macOS at least) IME and isn't several years behind.
  - hardware2win 4y ago
    Dont use Mono Also I think you are giving nullable ref types too much credit
    - ok123456 4y ago
      I don't think you're giving them enough credit. Having the type system be able to tell you that you may have a null reference exception in a complicated code base is magic. I've inherited bad code bases and refactored them to use nullable references and watched lots of bugs fall out.
      - hardware2win 4y ago
        I'd rather use Result<T> everywhere
becquerel 4y ago
I've been coding .NET on linux fulltime for multiple years now.
smaudet 4y ago
.net core is not Windows only - works on the big three (linux mac windows). That said, I get where you are coming from - .net framework is pretty much just windows, and there a large number of libraries/apps that are Windows first, other platforms second. If you do end up needing to do Windows dev, though, I'd recommend it, same as if I were doing Apple Dev I'd recommend Objective C/Swift, or recommend you brush up on bash/zsh/fish, C and maybe Xorg/Systemd for linux. You can use other languages on all these platforms but the 'native' toolkit tends to enjoy better interop and have better support.
- oriolid 4y ago
  The other big C# ecosystem is Unity Engine with its own frameworks and plugins. It lags a bit behind Windows, and might be one reason why some C# developers seem to be behind the times when it comes to new language features. Edit: The other reason Unity developers are careful around new language features is avoiding memory allocations. When you write C# like it was Java it's more straightforward to see where allocations happen but it's all too easy to accidentally write allocations in your main loop if you use everything the language has to offer.
CyanLite2 4y ago
And this is the problem OP is talking about. Outdated thinking from a 15 years ago is how cargo cults hold onto all the power.
phillipcarter 4y ago
This comment is about 7 years out of date.

The reason why I’m not adopting C# is because I’m never going to be a windows user.

hardware2win 4y ago

It works on Linux just fine

ok123456 4y ago
Problem is the mono C# compiler is several years behind Roslyn in terms of features. It's pretty much a non-starter if you don't have nullable types in 2022.
- Jtsummers 4y ago
  https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download Works fine on non-Windows systems (well, Linux and macOS at least) IME and isn't several years behind.
- hardware2win 4y ago
  Dont use Mono Also I think you are giving nullable ref types too much credit
  - ok123456 4y ago
    I don't think you're giving them enough credit. Having the type system be able to tell you that you may have a null reference exception in a complicated code base is magic. I've inherited bad code bases and refactored them to use nullable references and watched lots of bugs fall out.
    - hardware2win 4y ago
      I'd rather use Result<T> everywhere

becquerel 4y ago

I've been coding .NET on linux fulltime for multiple years now.

smaudet 4y ago

.net core is not Windows only - works on the big three (linux mac windows). That said, I get where you are coming from - .net framework is pretty much just windows, and there a large number of libraries/apps that are Windows first, other platforms second. If you do end up needing to do Windows dev, though, I'd recommend it, same as if I were doing Apple Dev I'd recommend Objective C/Swift, or recommend you brush up on bash/zsh/fish, C and maybe Xorg/Systemd for linux. You can use other languages on all these platforms but the 'native' toolkit tends to enjoy better interop and have better support.

oriolid 4y ago
The other big C# ecosystem is Unity Engine with its own frameworks and plugins. It lags a bit behind Windows, and might be one reason why some C# developers seem to be behind the times when it comes to new language features. Edit: The other reason Unity developers are careful around new language features is avoiding memory allocations. When you write C# like it was Java it's more straightforward to see where allocations happen but it's all too easy to accidentally write allocations in your main loop if you use everything the language has to offer.

CyanLite2 4y ago

And this is the problem OP is talking about. Outdated thinking from a 15 years ago is how cargo cults hold onto all the power.

phillipcarter 4y ago

This comment is about 7 years out of date.