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It's a rare for-profit company that releases anything significant from pure niceness so I can't read it as a gift. It's part of a corporate strategy; don't conf

It's a rare for-profit company that releases anything significant from pure niceness so I can't read it as a gift. It's part of a corporate strategy; don't confuse it with largesse.

green-eclipse 4y ago
I mostly agree with your comment. However I'll also say that Google, far more than any of the other tech titans, has a very long history of deeply supporting and embracing open source. It's part of the ethos, not just lip service.
- jtgans 4y ago
  TL for KataOS here. Yes, the actual point of the announcement is to get the word out about the project. We want to make it as open as possible, and while we have some hurdles with getting the entire system out in a collaborative fashion, we're doing our darndest to do so. This release actually reflects the hard-won efforts of several engineers on the team to get this out.
  - zasdffaa 4y ago
    Respect to you + your engineers, I was not having a go at you all, and I genuinely thank you for your work. I was merely objecting to some commenter describing it in a way I felt was misleading. Keep it up!
amf12 4y ago
> It's a rare for-profit company that releases anything significant from pure niceness so I can't read it as a gift. Philosophically speaking, do most people do something out of pure altruism? I personally don't believe so. Everyone has an agenda - be it to feel better, to score brownie points, to make people like them, etc. Why should we expect for-profit corps to be altruistic? We should remember their for-profit motives and also accept they can do good deed for non-altruistic reasons.
- zasdffaa 4y ago
  It may be a cultural thing, I'm a brit, you're like from the US, but yes over here there is a culture of altruism to a degree that may be greater than in the US (eg. over here we donate blood for free). I'm talking monetary compensation thought. On a personal level I try to help because another's happiness becomes mine.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    Pretty sure the majority of blood donations in the US are free (or freeish, like you might get a donut and orange juice).
  - amf12 4y ago
    > On a personal level I try to help because another's happiness becomes mine. There you go, so you help others to feel happiness yourself. In which case, its not purely altruistic.
    - zasdffaa 4y ago
      There is no such thing as pure altruism, where did I say there was? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism#Evolutionary_explanations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism#Evolutionary_explanat...) I gave my own reasons, that's all. But it's not monetary. Why do people like you seem determined that nothing good can exist in other people. Your tribe turns everything to shit.

It's a rare for-profit company that releases anything significant from pure niceness so I can't read it as a gift. It's part of a corporate strategy; don't confuse it with largesse.

green-eclipse 4y ago

I mostly agree with your comment. However I'll also say that Google, far more than any of the other tech titans, has a very long history of deeply supporting and embracing open source. It's part of the ethos, not just lip service.

jtgans 4y ago
TL for KataOS here. Yes, the actual point of the announcement is to get the word out about the project. We want to make it as open as possible, and while we have some hurdles with getting the entire system out in a collaborative fashion, we're doing our darndest to do so. This release actually reflects the hard-won efforts of several engineers on the team to get this out.
- zasdffaa 4y ago
  Respect to you + your engineers, I was not having a go at you all, and I genuinely thank you for your work. I was merely objecting to some commenter describing it in a way I felt was misleading. Keep it up!

amf12 4y ago

> It's a rare for-profit company that releases anything significant from pure niceness so I can't read it as a gift. Philosophically speaking, do most people do something out of pure altruism? I personally don't believe so. Everyone has an agenda - be it to feel better, to score brownie points, to make people like them, etc. Why should we expect for-profit corps to be altruistic? We should remember their for-profit motives and also accept they can do good deed for non-altruistic reasons.

zasdffaa 4y ago
It may be a cultural thing, I'm a brit, you're like from the US, but yes over here there is a culture of altruism to a degree that may be greater than in the US (eg. over here we donate blood for free). I'm talking monetary compensation thought. On a personal level I try to help because another's happiness becomes mine.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Pretty sure the majority of blood donations in the US are free (or freeish, like you might get a donut and orange juice).
- amf12 4y ago
  > On a personal level I try to help because another's happiness becomes mine. There you go, so you help others to feel happiness yourself. In which case, its not purely altruistic.
  - zasdffaa 4y ago
    There is no such thing as pure altruism, where did I say there was? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism#Evolutionary_explanations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism#Evolutionary_explanat...) I gave my own reasons, that's all. But it's not monetary. Why do people like you seem determined that nothing good can exist in other people. Your tribe turns everything to shit.