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I only know the region as a repeat tourist (just came back from my second visit this year), but my impression from this is that locals are quite proud of their

by usrusr 4y ago

I only know the region as a repeat tourist (just came back from my second visit this year), but my impression from this is that locals are quite proud of their cosmopolitan past and "moro" is the simply term they use for their melting pot ancestors of that era. Nothing negative about it at all.

throwawaybutwhy 4y ago
Last name of Matamoros (kills moors) is a thing, and the banner of Santiago defined the nation for centuries.
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justnah 4y ago
>but my impression from this is that locals are quite proud of their cosmopolitan past and "moro" Literally no one is. There is a vast difference between giving credit for a given concept/tool/technique because it's useful, and thinking the locals have sort of ancestral connection with a foreign invader.
- jvican 4y ago
  Don't speak for a whole country. There are people that are proud of this heritage, like me, and many more, especially in the places where Moorish culture had a stronghold (e.g. Andalusia, C. Valenciana, Murcia, etc.)
  - elnatro 4y ago
    - asabil 4y ago
      I find it hard to believe that there would be no cultural heritage after ~700 years. What I think you want to say is that the "identity" of modern Spain and Portugal has been shaped and defined by its opposition to the moor/muslim/north-african identity.
      - spookie 4y ago
        I do disagree with your last sentence, a lot of Portuguese are proud of their north-african connections. Most families come from "newly-christians" after all (and you gotta blame Spain's Phillips for that one).
        asabil 4y ago
        I have to admit that I included Portugal without giving it much thought. I was honestly mostly thinking about Spain and added Portugal assuming they would be the same from the perspective of identity. I stand corrected.
        Ligma123 4y ago
        I'd really like to know how you reach the conclusion of "most families" when we are talking about two ethno-religious minorities, that allegedly were victims of indiscriminate killings, and mass deportations to the Low Lands, North Africa and to the Americas, but end up leaving a gigantic genetic footprint. At least be coherent.
        spookie 4y ago
        It's easy to know who comes from a "newly-christian" family in Portugal. Their surnames are those of trees or animals. I know this cause I'm one, and I'm Portuguese.
        Ligma123 4y ago
        >Their surnames are those of trees or animals. Not every Pereira or Coelho is descendent of new Christians. Some sure, but definitely not all.
    - elnatro 4y ago

by usrusr 4y ago

throwawaybutwhy 4y ago

Last name of Matamoros (kills moors) is a thing, and the banner of Santiago defined the nation for centuries.

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justnah 4y ago

>but my impression from this is that locals are quite proud of their cosmopolitan past and "moro" Literally no one is. There is a vast difference between giving credit for a given concept/tool/technique because it's useful, and thinking the locals have sort of ancestral connection with a foreign invader.

jvican 4y ago
Don't speak for a whole country. There are people that are proud of this heritage, like me, and many more, especially in the places where Moorish culture had a stronghold (e.g. Andalusia, C. Valenciana, Murcia, etc.)
- elnatro 4y ago
  - asabil 4y ago
    I find it hard to believe that there would be no cultural heritage after ~700 years. What I think you want to say is that the "identity" of modern Spain and Portugal has been shaped and defined by its opposition to the moor/muslim/north-african identity.
    - spookie 4y ago
      I do disagree with your last sentence, a lot of Portuguese are proud of their north-african connections. Most families come from "newly-christians" after all (and you gotta blame Spain's Phillips for that one).
      - asabil 4y ago
        I have to admit that I included Portugal without giving it much thought. I was honestly mostly thinking about Spain and added Portugal assuming they would be the same from the perspective of identity. I stand corrected.
      - Ligma123 4y ago
        I'd really like to know how you reach the conclusion of "most families" when we are talking about two ethno-religious minorities, that allegedly were victims of indiscriminate killings, and mass deportations to the Low Lands, North Africa and to the Americas, but end up leaving a gigantic genetic footprint. At least be coherent.
        spookie 4y ago
        It's easy to know who comes from a "newly-christian" family in Portugal. Their surnames are those of trees or animals. I know this cause I'm one, and I'm Portuguese.
        Ligma123 4y ago
        >Their surnames are those of trees or animals. Not every Pereira or Coelho is descendent of new Christians. Some sure, but definitely not all.
  - elnatro 4y ago