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Someone should build an extension to filter all of the low-effort "haha when will this one be shut down" garbage below every single news post about a Google pro

by meibo 4y ago

Someone should build an extension to filter all of the low-effort "haha when will this one be shut down" garbage below every single news post about a Google product. It's getting a little tiresome.

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geerlingguy 4y ago
It's the most relevant feature to speculate about for any non-ad-targeted product Google introduces, so I don't begrudge people for commenting on it. It's to the point I just ignore any Google product launch, at least in terms of consideration for my own use. 5-10 years is an incredibly short lifespan, and there's usually no off-ramp. The product just dies off.
endisneigh 4y ago
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bitcharmer 4y ago
It's Google's own fault that anything new they launch these days has a meme status. I don't see anything wrong in pointing this out. Similarly, many people avoid watching Netflix shows until they survive to season 3 at least because it's not worth investing your time in something that's likely to get cancelled after a season or two. It's their own doing and mocking it is fully deserved
- Something1234 4y ago
  Maybe, just maybe more shows should be built around being a single season long with fewer rear end pulls. I'm so sick of these multiseason shows that just do nothing or don't answer questions.
  - karmakurtisaani 4y ago
    This is already totally besides the point, but I fully agree. If writers know the show has a limited lifespan, they can build an actually coherent and interesting story. If they have to write season 5 out of X, it's going to be just disappointing and more of the same old. For this reason I rarely watch any shows these days.
- freedomben 4y ago
  I don't disagree with you, but it's the volume of the "pointing it out" that is tiresome. I was hoping to see an interesting technical discussion of the new OS, but instead any that might exist is drowned out with an avalanche of dumb. It's not a verboten thing to say, but it is very low effort and uninteresting, and when it makes up 90% of the comments on an otherwise pretty interesting announcement...
  - nottorp 4y ago
    > I was hoping to see an interesting technical discussion of the new OS But what would be the point? For one, as some people said, it's secure but whatever it does will certanily pass information through Google, and you can't trust them. And two, as some other people said, Google projects don't survive if they get less than 100 million users.
Beldin 4y ago
No, it's the most important aspect for any new Google product announcement. It's not up to commenters to behave better, it is up to Google. The comments cannot be considered garbage, since they ask the most pertinent question: why is this announcement worth talking about? And yes, Google created this situation itself. And now it has to justify each new product's life span. Because we don't trust that at all. Unlike startups, Google can easily afford to run a product at a loss for years. Yet we trust them less than startups with only a few months of runway.
- Invictus0 4y ago
  We're on a forum for startups. 99% of them get shutdown. This is not a product, it's a free and open source OS, a gift to the world. You cannot shut down open source--if it matters so much to you then maintain it yourself.
  - zasdffaa 4y ago
    It's a rare for-profit company that releases anything significant from pure niceness so I can't read it as a gift. It's part of a corporate strategy; don't confuse it with largesse.
    - green-eclipse 4y ago
      I mostly agree with your comment. However I'll also say that Google, far more than any of the other tech titans, has a very long history of deeply supporting and embracing open source. It's part of the ethos, not just lip service.
      - jtgans 4y ago
        TL for KataOS here. Yes, the actual point of the announcement is to get the word out about the project. We want to make it as open as possible, and while we have some hurdles with getting the entire system out in a collaborative fashion, we're doing our darndest to do so. This release actually reflects the hard-won efforts of several engineers on the team to get this out.
helpfulclippy 4y ago
Maybe Google should build it. Then you use it for a year or two before it gets cancelled.
panarky 4y ago
Exactly. We're all better off when smart people can build something new, that advances the frontier of what's possible, and release it to the world for free, without committing to support it forever. It's nauseating when lazy commenters parrot the same, worn-out arguments to tear down legitimate innovation.
thiht 4y ago
Maybe it’s low effort but it’s actually the first thing that came to my mind when reading the headline, and it’s the same for lots of people. It’s natural that this comment comes a lot and it represents what people here think. Google brought it on itself. This is a reason I’ll never use a new Google product ever again. I’m still stuck with Gmail and Android TV for now but that’s about it, and I’m working on that too. I slowly switch my accounts to a custom domain email, and plan on switching to Plex because they decided to start showing ads on the TV I paid $2000 for.
sb057 4y ago
Google shutting down products every few weeks is getting a little tiresome.
crazygringo 4y ago
Seriously, I don't get it because startups fail all the time. Google quite explicitly has a startup mentality in trying to launch lots of things and see what sticks, and shut down what doesn't stick. A "fail fast" mentality that is very hacker-y. Apple is the polar opposite -- they do oodles of internal testing and iteration and feedback and don't launch something until they're super-super-sure they've got a hit on their hands. Microsoft is closer to Apple but more willing to experiment. So people hate on Google when they cancel products, but nobody hates on all the startups that simply go out of business. To the contrary, they say congrats on trying, hope you try again! It's a bizarre double standard that I'll never understand. Yes, Reader was cancelled, but if Google didn't have this "launch and see what sticks" mentality Reader never would have been created in the first place. Products like Gmail and Google News supposedly started as similar 20% products. Why is HN so supportive of startups that try and fail, but not when Google does it?

by meibo 4y ago

Someone should build an extension to filter all of the low-effort "haha when will this one be shut down" garbage below every single news post about a Google product. It's getting a little tiresome.

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geerlingguy 4y ago

It's the most relevant feature to speculate about for any non-ad-targeted product Google introduces, so I don't begrudge people for commenting on it. It's to the point I just ignore any Google product launch, at least in terms of consideration for my own use. 5-10 years is an incredibly short lifespan, and there's usually no off-ramp. The product just dies off.

endisneigh 4y ago

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bitcharmer 4y ago

It's Google's own fault that anything new they launch these days has a meme status. I don't see anything wrong in pointing this out. Similarly, many people avoid watching Netflix shows until they survive to season 3 at least because it's not worth investing your time in something that's likely to get cancelled after a season or two. It's their own doing and mocking it is fully deserved

Something1234 4y ago
Maybe, just maybe more shows should be built around being a single season long with fewer rear end pulls. I'm so sick of these multiseason shows that just do nothing or don't answer questions.
- karmakurtisaani 4y ago
  This is already totally besides the point, but I fully agree. If writers know the show has a limited lifespan, they can build an actually coherent and interesting story. If they have to write season 5 out of X, it's going to be just disappointing and more of the same old. For this reason I rarely watch any shows these days.
freedomben 4y ago
I don't disagree with you, but it's the volume of the "pointing it out" that is tiresome. I was hoping to see an interesting technical discussion of the new OS, but instead any that might exist is drowned out with an avalanche of dumb. It's not a verboten thing to say, but it is very low effort and uninteresting, and when it makes up 90% of the comments on an otherwise pretty interesting announcement...
- nottorp 4y ago
  > I was hoping to see an interesting technical discussion of the new OS But what would be the point? For one, as some people said, it's secure but whatever it does will certanily pass information through Google, and you can't trust them. And two, as some other people said, Google projects don't survive if they get less than 100 million users.

Beldin 4y ago

No, it's the most important aspect for any new Google product announcement. It's not up to commenters to behave better, it is up to Google. The comments cannot be considered garbage, since they ask the most pertinent question: why is this announcement worth talking about? And yes, Google created this situation itself. And now it has to justify each new product's life span. Because we don't trust that at all. Unlike startups, Google can easily afford to run a product at a loss for years. Yet we trust them less than startups with only a few months of runway.

Invictus0 4y ago
We're on a forum for startups. 99% of them get shutdown. This is not a product, it's a free and open source OS, a gift to the world. You cannot shut down open source--if it matters so much to you then maintain it yourself.
- zasdffaa 4y ago
  It's a rare for-profit company that releases anything significant from pure niceness so I can't read it as a gift. It's part of a corporate strategy; don't confuse it with largesse.
  - green-eclipse 4y ago
    I mostly agree with your comment. However I'll also say that Google, far more than any of the other tech titans, has a very long history of deeply supporting and embracing open source. It's part of the ethos, not just lip service.
    - jtgans 4y ago
      TL for KataOS here. Yes, the actual point of the announcement is to get the word out about the project. We want to make it as open as possible, and while we have some hurdles with getting the entire system out in a collaborative fashion, we're doing our darndest to do so. This release actually reflects the hard-won efforts of several engineers on the team to get this out.

helpfulclippy 4y ago

Maybe Google should build it. Then you use it for a year or two before it gets cancelled.

panarky 4y ago

Exactly. We're all better off when smart people can build something new, that advances the frontier of what's possible, and release it to the world for free, without committing to support it forever. It's nauseating when lazy commenters parrot the same, worn-out arguments to tear down legitimate innovation.

thiht 4y ago

Maybe it’s low effort but it’s actually the first thing that came to my mind when reading the headline, and it’s the same for lots of people. It’s natural that this comment comes a lot and it represents what people here think. Google brought it on itself. This is a reason I’ll never use a new Google product ever again. I’m still stuck with Gmail and Android TV for now but that’s about it, and I’m working on that too. I slowly switch my accounts to a custom domain email, and plan on switching to Plex because they decided to start showing ads on the TV I paid $2000 for.

sb057 4y ago

Google shutting down products every few weeks is getting a little tiresome.

crazygringo 4y ago

Seriously, I don't get it because startups fail all the time. Google quite explicitly has a startup mentality in trying to launch lots of things and see what sticks, and shut down what doesn't stick. A "fail fast" mentality that is very hacker-y. Apple is the polar opposite -- they do oodles of internal testing and iteration and feedback and don't launch something until they're super-super-sure they've got a hit on their hands. Microsoft is closer to Apple but more willing to experiment. So people hate on Google when they cancel products, but nobody hates on all the startups that simply go out of business. To the contrary, they say congrats on trying, hope you try again! It's a bizarre double standard that I'll never understand. Yes, Reader was cancelled, but if Google didn't have this "launch and see what sticks" mentality Reader never would have been created in the first place. Products like Gmail and Google News supposedly started as similar 20% products. Why is HN so supportive of startups that try and fail, but not when Google does it?