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My team is being hit with really extreme pricing changes for Docker Desktop. I have never been clear on why we even wanted DD (I guess right now it’s the easies

My team is being hit with really extreme pricing changes for Docker Desktop. I have never been clear on why we even wanted DD (I guess right now it’s the easiest path to getting x86 containers running on M1 Macs?). Alternatives like Podman or even a more extreme solution like this one are becoming more and more attractive.

411111111111111 4y ago
Check out rancher desktop, it's free and also available on apple silicone https://rancherdesktop.io/ https://rancherdesktop.io/
kervantas 4y ago
I actually replaced Docker Desktop on my M1 Mac, because even after quitting the app (properly), the qemu VM kept runing, and running my battery. I like that I have more control over the processes with podman. `podman machine stop` and the vm is gone.
seanhunter 4y ago
On an M1 Mac I believe that rancher desktop (mentioned in a sibling thread) is the way to go if you are going the kubernetes route. Because I only have a really simple usecase and want something just like docker I've been using lima[1] which you can just install with homebrew and set up an alias and then pretend you're using docker. I have had some problems where in long-running processes with a lot of network usage in the container after a while I get some network timeouts. I'm not sure whether that's a problem with lima or qemu or what else might actually be causing it. But basically as a dev experience it works fine even on a pretty underpowered laptop (which is what I'm using it on in this case). [1] https://medium.com/nttlabs/containerd-and-lima-39e0b64d2a59 https://medium.com/nttlabs/containerd-and-lima-39e0b64d2a59
pnt12 4y ago
The basic license is 5 dollars a month. I think that's a low price, if you consider the time cost of exploring alternatives. Additionally, it's a shame that the docker company struggles to profit from their revolutionary technology: operations, devops and infra looks completely different than 10 years ago and they played a big role in it.
- bgribble 4y ago
  You're right, for a basic single user license that's a reasonable price. The thing that is making my team consider alternatives is this: https://www.docker.com/pricing/october-2022-pricing-change-faq/ https://www.docker.com/pricing/october-2022-pricing-change-f... We were on the "Docker Teams" plan, paying $7/user/month. With this pricing change, since we are over 100 users, we bump to "Docker Business" paying $24/user/month, more than a 3x price increase! At that price point, it's definitely worth looking at what other choices there are.
- dev_0 4y ago
  Docker is successful because it's free....they provide the common benefits...

411111111111111 4y ago

Check out rancher desktop, it's free and also available on apple silicone https://rancherdesktop.io/ https://rancherdesktop.io/

kervantas 4y ago

I actually replaced Docker Desktop on my M1 Mac, because even after quitting the app (properly), the qemu VM kept runing, and running my battery. I like that I have more control over the processes with podman. `podman machine stop` and the vm is gone.

seanhunter 4y ago

On an M1 Mac I believe that rancher desktop (mentioned in a sibling thread) is the way to go if you are going the kubernetes route. Because I only have a really simple usecase and want something just like docker I've been using lima[1] which you can just install with homebrew and set up an alias and then pretend you're using docker. I have had some problems where in long-running processes with a lot of network usage in the container after a while I get some network timeouts. I'm not sure whether that's a problem with lima or qemu or what else might actually be causing it. But basically as a dev experience it works fine even on a pretty underpowered laptop (which is what I'm using it on in this case). [1] https://medium.com/nttlabs/containerd-and-lima-39e0b64d2a59 https://medium.com/nttlabs/containerd-and-lima-39e0b64d2a59

pnt12 4y ago

The basic license is 5 dollars a month. I think that's a low price, if you consider the time cost of exploring alternatives. Additionally, it's a shame that the docker company struggles to profit from their revolutionary technology: operations, devops and infra looks completely different than 10 years ago and they played a big role in it.

bgribble 4y ago
You're right, for a basic single user license that's a reasonable price. The thing that is making my team consider alternatives is this: https://www.docker.com/pricing/october-2022-pricing-change-faq/ https://www.docker.com/pricing/october-2022-pricing-change-f... We were on the "Docker Teams" plan, paying $7/user/month. With this pricing change, since we are over 100 users, we bump to "Docker Business" paying $24/user/month, more than a 3x price increase! At that price point, it's definitely worth looking at what other choices there are.
dev_0 4y ago
Docker is successful because it's free....they provide the common benefits...