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US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides. The article makes it seem that India as a whole i

US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides. The article makes it seem that India as a whole is operating in some North Korea-ish way. A US citizen can well complain to CERT-IN (https://www.cert-in.org.in/ https://www.cert-in.org.in/) for any reported cybercrime with proper documents and it will be treated as an enforceable crime. In fact, quite funny considering the US Chambers of Commerce have filed an appeal with CERT-IN that the compliance requirements are very stringent (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/cert-ins-requirements-may-make-it-difficult-to-do-business-in-india-business-groupings/articleshow/91842557.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/cert-in...)

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides Is this documented? If true, I suspect the image of Indian criminals being beyond the reach of the law stems from the spam call problem.
- malikNF 4y ago
  This[1] is one of the few results that comes up when you search for the keywords, fbi + justice + india + scam https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-based-call-centers-sentenced-prison-scamming-us-victims-out-millions https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-base...
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > one of the few results that comes up when you search for the keywords, fbi + justice + india + scam Your link [1] mentions no sign of Indian law enforcement. Instead, “Singapore authorities apprehended Patel at the request of the United States…after Patel flew there from India…charges remain pending for other India-based defendants.” [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-based-call-centers-sentenced-prison-scamming-us-victims-out-millions https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-base...
- nonamechicken 4y ago
  Some news related to scam call center arrests: Oct 4 2022: On inputs from FBI and Interpol, CBI, police forces search 105 locations to combat cyber crime: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-targeting-cyber-criminals-8189942/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-target... 31 Aug 2022: Fake call centre busted in Gurugram, six held for cheating foreign citizens: https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/fake-call-centre-busted-in-gurugram-six-held-for-cheating-foreign-citizens-427237 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/fake-call-centre-b... 04 Aug 2022: Fake call centre: Cyber cell contacts FBI, CBI & ED: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/fake-call-centre-cyber-cell-contacts-fbi-cbi-ed/articleshow/93336176.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/fake-call-... 30 Dec 2020: India's CBI helped US sleuths shut down a call centre scam that impersonated Microsoft at times: https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/us-india-computer-scam-against-elderly-americans-gets-shut-down/articleshow/80020984.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/us-india-c... 17 Oct 2020: Call centre fraud: US, CBI bust call centres defrauding elderly Americans: https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/call-centre-fraud-us-cbi-bust-call-centres-defrauding-elderly-americans-details-here/2107881/ https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/call-centre-frau...
- JamesianP 4y ago
  They aren't beyond the reach of the law, it's just logistically hard. Imagine getting the cops to bother investigating your stolen laptop or something. Now multiply that by an international multi-agency investigation spanning 10,000 miles.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > * it's just logistically hard* Sure. I am just pushing back on “very well enforced.” It’s not. Not out of malice. But because the problem is hard.
rndgermandude 4y ago
>And it is very well enforced on both sides. That guy or gal calling your grandparents about that "fixing that virus" or "refunding that amazon purchase" begs to differ...

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> US and India have very enforceable bilateral cybercrime treaties. And it is very well enforced on both sides Is this documented? If true, I suspect the image of Indian criminals being beyond the reach of the law stems from the spam call problem.

malikNF 4y ago
This[1] is one of the few results that comes up when you search for the keywords, fbi + justice + india + scam https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-based-call-centers-sentenced-prison-scamming-us-victims-out-millions https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-base...
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > one of the few results that comes up when you search for the keywords, fbi + justice + india + scam Your link [1] mentions no sign of Indian law enforcement. Instead, “Singapore authorities apprehended Patel at the request of the United States…after Patel flew there from India…charges remain pending for other India-based defendants.” [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-based-call-centers-sentenced-prison-scamming-us-victims-out-millions https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-and-operator-india-base...
nonamechicken 4y ago
Some news related to scam call center arrests: Oct 4 2022: On inputs from FBI and Interpol, CBI, police forces search 105 locations to combat cyber crime: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-targeting-cyber-criminals-8189942/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/cbi-operation-target... 31 Aug 2022: Fake call centre busted in Gurugram, six held for cheating foreign citizens: https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/fake-call-centre-busted-in-gurugram-six-held-for-cheating-foreign-citizens-427237 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/fake-call-centre-b... 04 Aug 2022: Fake call centre: Cyber cell contacts FBI, CBI & ED: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/fake-call-centre-cyber-cell-contacts-fbi-cbi-ed/articleshow/93336176.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/fake-call-... 30 Dec 2020: India's CBI helped US sleuths shut down a call centre scam that impersonated Microsoft at times: https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/us-india-computer-scam-against-elderly-americans-gets-shut-down/articleshow/80020984.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/us-india-c... 17 Oct 2020: Call centre fraud: US, CBI bust call centres defrauding elderly Americans: https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/call-centre-fraud-us-cbi-bust-call-centres-defrauding-elderly-americans-details-here/2107881/ https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/call-centre-frau...
JamesianP 4y ago
They aren't beyond the reach of the law, it's just logistically hard. Imagine getting the cops to bother investigating your stolen laptop or something. Now multiply that by an international multi-agency investigation spanning 10,000 miles.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > * it's just logistically hard* Sure. I am just pushing back on “very well enforced.” It’s not. Not out of malice. But because the problem is hard.

rndgermandude 4y ago

>And it is very well enforced on both sides. That guy or gal calling your grandparents about that "fixing that virus" or "refunding that amazon purchase" begs to differ...