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I think I do. I've been looking around for similar ideas. I've also been alienated many times by multiple workplaces because people gradually succumb to workpla

I think I do. I've been looking around for similar ideas. I've also been alienated many times by multiple workplaces because people gradually succumb to workplace politics and mind rot and any attempt at improving yourself or aiming at high perf is a massive threat. Anyway if you know groups/sites to join, count me in. ps: beside me or us, I think this could have deep implications to society. I believe the status quo (rot mentioned above) is a pain for many but culture made them forget how things could be, and they'd be healthier and happier going back to perf (and fun) oriented job life.

spinlock 4y ago
My first impression of OP’s post was that it’s not going to be supported by corporate culture. Optimizing for quarterly profit isn’t going to align with an employee optimizing for personal excellence. Seems to me that the most important step will be to find a vocation where your goals a few allignrd with the bottom line.
- agumonkey 4y ago
  I really doubt it[0]. Not your point but the fact that having employees sharp and excited about mastery is probably gonna push everything up to 11 (granted people are mature enough not to go rockstar). When you rise above a certain skill level on a topic, things become playful, creative, quality gets regularly high. What's not to like for a short termist corp ? [0] I only pushed high perf in small jobs, not in programming so I can't speak with a lot of confidence. But in some clerk duties, what took 3 weeks became 3 days and a half (2 days the next time because it took me 1 day to converge on high speed layouts).
  - spinlock 4y ago
    This reminds me of a job I had while starting my first business after college. I was a bar-tender for a catering company. We did a lot of fancy parties so a big part of my job was pouring Champaign and putting it on a tray for the servers to pass around. After a few months, I could pop a bottle and pour six flutes that were all exactly the same height without leaving a drop in the bottle.
  - kevin_vanilla 4y ago
    Thanks both for the interesting discussion! I think this cuts both ways - yes, I believe it is possible to strive for improvement in any job, and most jobs would welcome this. That being said, alignment with the impact you want to have and what the company cares about is also very important. You can be the best children's tobacco salesman (?) in the world, but I imagine you'll always feel like you're missing something. > Seems to me that the most important step will be to find a vocation where your goals a few allignrd with the bottom line. I agree with this, I actually spent a lot of time making this happen and am happy with how it turned out :)
- spoonfeeder006 4y ago
  > Seems to me that the most important step will be to find a vocation where your goals a few allignrd with the bottom line. Freelancing?
kevin_vanilla 4y ago
Great! I have a few leads from this thread and will let you know if I find or start anything. In the meantime, I have my contact details on my profile, so feel free to reach out there.

spinlock 4y ago

My first impression of OP’s post was that it’s not going to be supported by corporate culture. Optimizing for quarterly profit isn’t going to align with an employee optimizing for personal excellence. Seems to me that the most important step will be to find a vocation where your goals a few allignrd with the bottom line.

agumonkey 4y ago
I really doubt it[0]. Not your point but the fact that having employees sharp and excited about mastery is probably gonna push everything up to 11 (granted people are mature enough not to go rockstar). When you rise above a certain skill level on a topic, things become playful, creative, quality gets regularly high. What's not to like for a short termist corp ? [0] I only pushed high perf in small jobs, not in programming so I can't speak with a lot of confidence. But in some clerk duties, what took 3 weeks became 3 days and a half (2 days the next time because it took me 1 day to converge on high speed layouts).
- spinlock 4y ago
  This reminds me of a job I had while starting my first business after college. I was a bar-tender for a catering company. We did a lot of fancy parties so a big part of my job was pouring Champaign and putting it on a tray for the servers to pass around. After a few months, I could pop a bottle and pour six flutes that were all exactly the same height without leaving a drop in the bottle.
- kevin_vanilla 4y ago
  Thanks both for the interesting discussion! I think this cuts both ways - yes, I believe it is possible to strive for improvement in any job, and most jobs would welcome this. That being said, alignment with the impact you want to have and what the company cares about is also very important. You can be the best children's tobacco salesman (?) in the world, but I imagine you'll always feel like you're missing something. > Seems to me that the most important step will be to find a vocation where your goals a few allignrd with the bottom line. I agree with this, I actually spent a lot of time making this happen and am happy with how it turned out :)
spoonfeeder006 4y ago
> Seems to me that the most important step will be to find a vocation where your goals a few allignrd with the bottom line. Freelancing?

kevin_vanilla 4y ago

Great! I have a few leads from this thread and will let you know if I find or start anything. In the meantime, I have my contact details on my profile, so feel free to reach out there.