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Opposing view: go listen to the cancel culture three parter on the You Are Wrong About podcast. They deep dive into the whole idea going back to callout culture

Opposing view: go listen to the cancel culture three parter on the You Are Wrong About podcast. They deep dive into the whole idea going back to callout culture, Dixie Chicks, the woman who got fired while on her flight to Africa for that tweet, and the basic conclusion is that cancel culture as such does not exactly exist. It is a bit of a boogeyman and in reality is large set of outcomes for actions that are not always even a net negative.

throwoutway 4y ago
So they selected a few anecdotes that are outdated and decided something doesn’t exist? Sounds like a podcast to stop listening to If they analyzed hundreds more anecdotes of corporations caving to Twitter mobs they’d have gotten the truth
- IgorPartola 4y ago
  You really don’t know much about them, do you? No they examined the entire history of it starting with the first cancelation (The Chicks) to really deeply understand where the concept comes from and why it’s a thing. That’s kind of what investigative journalists do. They investigate. Also honestly it’s a huge story if you can find systematic firings of people based on Twitter bullying. You should absolutely put that together and sell it as a freelance article to the NYT or similar. I hear they pay well for this kind of research.
  - throwoutway 4y ago
    It’s not that hard. There’s plenty of press releases and quotes spokespersons quoted in the NYT. go for it
chrismcb 4y ago
Cancel culture absolutely did exist. Sometimes, but rarely, the actions are justified. Cancelling is basically someone losing their livelihood for something they might have said or did that had no relation to their job. When you aren't a spokesperson you shouldn't be losing your job over something you said or did (or might have) when off the job.
- IgorPartola 4y ago
  Can you give me five examples of someone losing their livelihood (homeless, still has no income, etc.) that were plausibly not justified? Bonus points if they are not a celebrity accused of sexual misconduct.

throwoutway 4y ago

So they selected a few anecdotes that are outdated and decided something doesn’t exist? Sounds like a podcast to stop listening to If they analyzed hundreds more anecdotes of corporations caving to Twitter mobs they’d have gotten the truth

IgorPartola 4y ago
You really don’t know much about them, do you? No they examined the entire history of it starting with the first cancelation (The Chicks) to really deeply understand where the concept comes from and why it’s a thing. That’s kind of what investigative journalists do. They investigate. Also honestly it’s a huge story if you can find systematic firings of people based on Twitter bullying. You should absolutely put that together and sell it as a freelance article to the NYT or similar. I hear they pay well for this kind of research.
- throwoutway 4y ago
  It’s not that hard. There’s plenty of press releases and quotes spokespersons quoted in the NYT. go for it

chrismcb 4y ago

Cancel culture absolutely did exist. Sometimes, but rarely, the actions are justified. Cancelling is basically someone losing their livelihood for something they might have said or did that had no relation to their job. When you aren't a spokesperson you shouldn't be losing your job over something you said or did (or might have) when off the job.

IgorPartola 4y ago
Can you give me five examples of someone losing their livelihood (homeless, still has no income, etc.) that were plausibly not justified? Bonus points if they are not a celebrity accused of sexual misconduct.