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And in other news, bears seen defecating in silvan locations /s This is definitely true, but not exactly news to most people

shultays 4y ago
It is probably not as known to as you think. Lots of parents out there would put their kids in sterile rooms if they were able to. Idea of their kids playing in mud would faint a couple parents out there. Most uses antibiotics on their kids with slightest fever
- roflc0ptic 4y ago
  > Most uses antibiotics on their kids with slightest fever People in my vicinity generally understand that antibiotics don't help viral infections. What doctors are they getting these antibiotics from? I doubt this claim.
  - pdpi 4y ago
    I’m not sure it’s as true now as it was 20 years ago, but I do remember seeing several campaigns raising awareness of the risks of antibiotic abuse. At any rate, you’re not necessarily contradicting GP. You can both know that antibiotics don’t help with viral infections and also believe that antibiotic use is harmless. Put the two together, and giving your kids antibiotics “just in case” seems perfectly reasonable.
    - roflc0ptic 4y ago
      But in the US at least antibiotics require a prescription from doctors. So you need the doctors to play along, too, and in my own experience I’ve never received antibiotics unnecessarily
      - pdpi 4y ago
        You can easily end up with leftovers from a prescription if stop taking them midway through the course once you're feeling better. Those left overs can then be used to self-medicate. I could speculate on how else it happens, but the important part is that it does happen, and e.g. the Mayo clinic says: > According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about one-third of antibiotic use in people is not needed nor appropriate. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/antibiotics/art-20045720 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health...
        richardhod 4y ago
        .. and this is one of the biggest sources of antibiotic resistance: people not finishing the course of antibiotics becasue they 'feel better now', rather than eliminating the pathogen so it can't gain resistance. Generally, there should never be leftover antibiotics.
        pdpi 4y ago
        As I understand it, there's been some recent studies that suggest it might be better to stop early (which is interesting, but that hasn't become standard practice, so I'll just keep doing what the actual professionals tell me to)
      - arcticfox 4y ago
        This is true in the US. In Brazil, my experience is that people expect a doctor to give medicine no matter what, even if it’s not warranted. Major cultural difference to the point where Brazilians feel like American doctors aren’t even treating them.
  - shultays 4y ago
    At least in Turkey, such parents find new doctors if their old ones does not give them the antibiotics they want. Doctors either dont care or are greedy enough to keep such patients at the expense of fucking up theirs or their kids immune system for life
  - amerkhalid 4y ago
    Maybe younger generation knows this. I know some older people who keep stash of antibiotics at home and pop those pills for almost everything.
- coldtea 4y ago
  >Lots of parents out there would put their kids in sterile rooms if they were able to. It's pathological microphobia
  - sp332 4y ago
    It's developed from an early age when schoolchildren are taught that all germs are evil.
hk__2 4y ago
> This is definitely true, but not exactly news to most people A lot of people believe it’s true, but having a proof of it is newsworthy. This is an old theory and there’s still no 100% scientific consensus on whether it’s true or not [1][2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis [2]: https://www.verywellfamily.com/hygiene-and-cleanliness-won-t-impair-childhood-immunity-study-finds-5192928 https://www.verywellfamily.com/hygiene-and-cleanliness-won-t...
- richardhod 4y ago
  I do take my rather glib comment back, with apologies to the readers here, I know better than that. Indeed, the Hygiene Hypothesis is misused a lot, and which I was actively looking up post-comment. It's the reason a lot of people are - erroneously - trying to infect themselves with COVID-19, to prorect themselves from later catching... the very same harmful pathogen. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5320962/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5320962/

shultays 4y ago

It is probably not as known to as you think. Lots of parents out there would put their kids in sterile rooms if they were able to. Idea of their kids playing in mud would faint a couple parents out there. Most uses antibiotics on their kids with slightest fever

roflc0ptic 4y ago
> Most uses antibiotics on their kids with slightest fever People in my vicinity generally understand that antibiotics don't help viral infections. What doctors are they getting these antibiotics from? I doubt this claim.
- pdpi 4y ago
  I’m not sure it’s as true now as it was 20 years ago, but I do remember seeing several campaigns raising awareness of the risks of antibiotic abuse. At any rate, you’re not necessarily contradicting GP. You can both know that antibiotics don’t help with viral infections and also believe that antibiotic use is harmless. Put the two together, and giving your kids antibiotics “just in case” seems perfectly reasonable.
  - roflc0ptic 4y ago
    But in the US at least antibiotics require a prescription from doctors. So you need the doctors to play along, too, and in my own experience I’ve never received antibiotics unnecessarily
    - pdpi 4y ago
      You can easily end up with leftovers from a prescription if stop taking them midway through the course once you're feeling better. Those left overs can then be used to self-medicate. I could speculate on how else it happens, but the important part is that it does happen, and e.g. the Mayo clinic says: > According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about one-third of antibiotic use in people is not needed nor appropriate. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/antibiotics/art-20045720 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health...
      - richardhod 4y ago
        .. and this is one of the biggest sources of antibiotic resistance: people not finishing the course of antibiotics becasue they 'feel better now', rather than eliminating the pathogen so it can't gain resistance. Generally, there should never be leftover antibiotics.
        pdpi 4y ago
        As I understand it, there's been some recent studies that suggest it might be better to stop early (which is interesting, but that hasn't become standard practice, so I'll just keep doing what the actual professionals tell me to)
    - arcticfox 4y ago
      This is true in the US. In Brazil, my experience is that people expect a doctor to give medicine no matter what, even if it’s not warranted. Major cultural difference to the point where Brazilians feel like American doctors aren’t even treating them.
- shultays 4y ago
  At least in Turkey, such parents find new doctors if their old ones does not give them the antibiotics they want. Doctors either dont care or are greedy enough to keep such patients at the expense of fucking up theirs or their kids immune system for life
- amerkhalid 4y ago
  Maybe younger generation knows this. I know some older people who keep stash of antibiotics at home and pop those pills for almost everything.
coldtea 4y ago
>Lots of parents out there would put their kids in sterile rooms if they were able to. It's pathological microphobia
- sp332 4y ago
  It's developed from an early age when schoolchildren are taught that all germs are evil.

hk__2 4y ago

> This is definitely true, but not exactly news to most people A lot of people believe it’s true, but having a proof of it is newsworthy. This is an old theory and there’s still no 100% scientific consensus on whether it’s true or not [1][2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis [2]: https://www.verywellfamily.com/hygiene-and-cleanliness-won-t-impair-childhood-immunity-study-finds-5192928 https://www.verywellfamily.com/hygiene-and-cleanliness-won-t...

richardhod 4y ago
I do take my rather glib comment back, with apologies to the readers here, I know better than that. Indeed, the Hygiene Hypothesis is misused a lot, and which I was actively looking up post-comment. It's the reason a lot of people are - erroneously - trying to infect themselves with COVID-19, to prorect themselves from later catching... the very same harmful pathogen. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5320962/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5320962/