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> If GenZ had control of the internet you wouldn't let your children and your grandma near it What do you mean by this? Zoomers are the new puritans not the pr

> If GenZ had control of the internet you wouldn't let your children and your grandma near it What do you mean by this? Zoomers are the new puritans not the previous generation

woodruffw 4y ago
Calling individual generations “the new Puritans” makes this position all the more explicitly ridiculous. Which generation is the new Huguenots?
- jrm4 4y ago
  Nah, it's a reasonable shorthand and more widely understood than "Huguenots."
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    The point was that there’s no consistent characterization that people have in mind for “new Puritans,” which makes it especially pointless to label an entire generation that way. Just a small case in point: Gen Z is the most openly queer/non-traditional generation in US history. There are entire segments of our population that consider that nature to be sexually deviant and want to control it with social restrictions. So why are Gen Z the “puritans”?
    - nemo44x 4y ago
      I think it’s because they have a religious zeal about themselves generally speaking. An inquisition like air that permeates many aspects of culture they are involved in. fundamentalist attitudes abound and an inability to consider alternatives blended with a constant appeal to authority. In essence, an extremely conformist and neurotic generation.
      - seydor 4y ago
        i d classify it more as 'fear'. There is a pervasive attitude that every space has to be 'safe' for everyone everywhere all the time. That's infantilizing, rather than radicalizing, and it s very prominent.
      - woodruffw 4y ago
        Or, alternatively, they’re passionate kids with priorities that are different from yours and you’re out of the loop. I haven’t seen any evidence that they’re particularly conformist, or more neurotic than most people I’ve talked to. This comment in point: what’s more neurotic than saying that an entire generation has an “inquisition like air”?
        nemo44x 4y ago
        Yes, zealots tend to be passionate. Passion isn’t by itself a good quality. Especially when you’ve acquired no wisdom at all. I think they’re a group of people with too much knowledge but nearly no wisdom. They mistake knowledge for knowing something. Again, generally speaking. I don’t think it’s their fault. We have infantilized them and never let them out of the cage. We were so scared of them failing that they’ve picked up on it and have packaged it as compulsive neuroticism. They’ve been overloaded with information from dubious sources for years now. Saying that there’s a lot of great kids out there.
        woodruffw 4y ago
        > Yes, zealots tend to be passionate. Passion isn’t by itself a good quality. Especially when you’ve acquired no wisdom at all. Sure, but this is not a particularly new phenomenon. Nobody expects a generation of children and young adults (at the absolute oldest!) to be wise beyond their years. I'm in my mid-20s, and even I'm too old to be a Zoomer. People accused Gen Xers of being coddled and "smart without being wise." They called them zealots when they burned their draft cards and tied themselves to trees, engaged in mass strikes, etc. Passion in young people is not new, and neither is "but this generation is different." For what it's worth, I actually do agree that helicopter parenting (among other things) have a deleterious affect on kids. But that's a 40+ year old phenomenon, one that's not unique to gen Z. And of all the people I know online, Zoomers are the least susceptible to fake information (if only because so many of them are nihilistic).
    - sh4un 4y ago
jrm4 4y ago
Right? I'm 45 and I teach at a college and it feels like these kids are "less horny" to the point that it's unhealthy and unnatural.
- karthikk 4y ago
  Isnt this based on the assumption that what 'you'underwent in your 20s as natural and healthy? Maybe you are the outlier and others are natural and healthy.
  - jrm4 4y ago
    Oh, generally speaking, I think they're a better generation than mine (I mean, I'm black, they're WAY more tolerant. So called "wokeness" is mostly a good thing). Kinder, more compassionate, etc. But they "party" less? And it could absolutely be the case that they're content at home with videogames over Discord. I suppose there's something special about my 20's that -- hey, maybe they don't feel like they're missing anything at all -- but e.g. "incel" and "incel-adjacent" feels like it could be something that could be improved.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  It’s worth considering that, at 45, you simply aren’t made aware of what college-aged people are doing.

> If GenZ had control of the internet you wouldn't let your children and your grandma near it What do you mean by this? Zoomers are the new puritans not the previous generation

woodruffw 4y ago

Calling individual generations “the new Puritans” makes this position all the more explicitly ridiculous. Which generation is the new Huguenots?

jrm4 4y ago
Nah, it's a reasonable shorthand and more widely understood than "Huguenots."
- woodruffw 4y ago
  The point was that there’s no consistent characterization that people have in mind for “new Puritans,” which makes it especially pointless to label an entire generation that way. Just a small case in point: Gen Z is the most openly queer/non-traditional generation in US history. There are entire segments of our population that consider that nature to be sexually deviant and want to control it with social restrictions. So why are Gen Z the “puritans”?
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    I think it’s because they have a religious zeal about themselves generally speaking. An inquisition like air that permeates many aspects of culture they are involved in. fundamentalist attitudes abound and an inability to consider alternatives blended with a constant appeal to authority. In essence, an extremely conformist and neurotic generation.
    - seydor 4y ago
      i d classify it more as 'fear'. There is a pervasive attitude that every space has to be 'safe' for everyone everywhere all the time. That's infantilizing, rather than radicalizing, and it s very prominent.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      Or, alternatively, they’re passionate kids with priorities that are different from yours and you’re out of the loop. I haven’t seen any evidence that they’re particularly conformist, or more neurotic than most people I’ve talked to. This comment in point: what’s more neurotic than saying that an entire generation has an “inquisition like air”?
      - nemo44x 4y ago
        Yes, zealots tend to be passionate. Passion isn’t by itself a good quality. Especially when you’ve acquired no wisdom at all. I think they’re a group of people with too much knowledge but nearly no wisdom. They mistake knowledge for knowing something. Again, generally speaking. I don’t think it’s their fault. We have infantilized them and never let them out of the cage. We were so scared of them failing that they’ve picked up on it and have packaged it as compulsive neuroticism. They’ve been overloaded with information from dubious sources for years now. Saying that there’s a lot of great kids out there.
        woodruffw 4y ago
        > Yes, zealots tend to be passionate. Passion isn’t by itself a good quality. Especially when you’ve acquired no wisdom at all. Sure, but this is not a particularly new phenomenon. Nobody expects a generation of children and young adults (at the absolute oldest!) to be wise beyond their years. I'm in my mid-20s, and even I'm too old to be a Zoomer. People accused Gen Xers of being coddled and "smart without being wise." They called them zealots when they burned their draft cards and tied themselves to trees, engaged in mass strikes, etc. Passion in young people is not new, and neither is "but this generation is different." For what it's worth, I actually do agree that helicopter parenting (among other things) have a deleterious affect on kids. But that's a 40+ year old phenomenon, one that's not unique to gen Z. And of all the people I know online, Zoomers are the least susceptible to fake information (if only because so many of them are nihilistic).
  - sh4un 4y ago

jrm4 4y ago

Right? I'm 45 and I teach at a college and it feels like these kids are "less horny" to the point that it's unhealthy and unnatural.

karthikk 4y ago
Isnt this based on the assumption that what 'you'underwent in your 20s as natural and healthy? Maybe you are the outlier and others are natural and healthy.
- jrm4 4y ago
  Oh, generally speaking, I think they're a better generation than mine (I mean, I'm black, they're WAY more tolerant. So called "wokeness" is mostly a good thing). Kinder, more compassionate, etc. But they "party" less? And it could absolutely be the case that they're content at home with videogames over Discord. I suppose there's something special about my 20's that -- hey, maybe they don't feel like they're missing anything at all -- but e.g. "incel" and "incel-adjacent" feels like it could be something that could be improved.
woodruffw 4y ago
It’s worth considering that, at 45, you simply aren’t made aware of what college-aged people are doing.