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Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks, why don't they organise a football world cup instead? Less corruption money must mean

Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks, why don't they organise a football world cup instead? Less corruption money must mean more leftover for the players and staff involved. Also instead of some nebulous process for the host country selection, get game owners to vote, they're already very securely identified. The time to ride on the complete stink the air conditioned slave-labour edition will produce is now. Get your lawyers to review the contractual structure of leagues and clubs, it can't be that the whole international set of deals is failsafe, players can probably just walk.

basicoperation 4y ago
No-one plays in the World Cup for the money.
- smcl 4y ago
  Don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is correct. There's maybe some bonuses and appearance fees for national teams ... but all the big names people care about earn their money playing for their club.
sofixa 4y ago
> Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks It wasn't righteous, it was over money (FIFA asking for too much). > why don't they organise a football world cup instead Because FIFA is the organising body of football, all regional (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.) and country Football Associations are under FIFA's jurisdiction (and are members of FIFA). Countries couldn't participate in a rival event even if they wanted to, because many of the smaller association basically only exist on FIFA subsidies, and of course there are exclusivity deals. And i doubt many countries and players would prefer the glory of the "EA Cup". The World Cup has never been about money, and the prize pool is already significant.
- polotics 4y ago
  Does FIFA own a copyright on the word "football"? no Does shipping 20 players from 50 poorer countries cost a lot? no does FIFA even owns a copyright on the words "Football World Cup"?
  - smcl 4y ago
    EA could very well setup "The EA Football World Cup" and invite the world's football associations to participate in it, with substantial prize money as a reward. But even if the countries could participate (they couldn't, unless they sent their Under 21s or other development/reserve players, see my other comment) and even if they did participate (many wouldn't) the tournament would be seen as an inferior knock-off and wouldn't gain the support from the fans that would be required to make it worthwhile.
    - polotics 4y ago
      How do you know this? A size 140 Arsenal jersey wearer I know would beg to differ, the Quatar catastrophe being clear for any age to understand. How do you think it would be inferior? The rules of football would be respected, and also it would match EA's official console football game!
      - smcl 4y ago
        If your Arsenal-supporting friend sincerely believes that a rival World Cup would go anywhere at all, then they're a little bit naive and don't really understand the game. Qatar could end up being (more of) a catastrophe, and heads may roll at FIFA but the FIFA World Cup isn't getting replaced any time soon.
        polotics 4y ago
        They... is a kid. so point taken, still one can dream, right?
        smcl 4y ago
Dma54rhs 4y ago
Football is too traditional to play EA Cup it already sounds like a McDonald's league.
- smcl 4y ago
  Yeah the "EA Cup" sounds like the name they'd use in a non-licensed football game to avoid being sued
smcl 4y ago
> Get your lawyers to review the contractual structure of leagues and clubs, it can't be that the whole international set of deals is failsafe, players can probably just walk. I think you're mixing up two things: 1. domestic club competitions - Serie A in Italy, the Bundesliga in Germany, The Premier League in England etc - where players have contracts with clubs and where the most successful teams in each league will compete things like the Champions League. 2. the national game - where country-level football associations select teams based on various national eligibility criteria to compete with other countries in continental competitions (European Championship, CONCACAF Cup etc) and the World Cup. FIFA are not really involved with #1, it is primarily concerned with the nation-level competitions. It does have a club-level competition between the winner of each confederations' Champions League equivalent, but only the non-European participants really care about that. Additionally, players can and do "just walk" at the national level - some choose not to play either because they don't want to be injured playing for their country in a 9-0 victory over San Marino when their domestic club is in a tight race for the title or they're on a Champions League run. Players also refuse to play for personal reasons - like due to a falling out with a coach (Roy Keane for Ireland in 2002) or with an association (like Duncan Ferguson for Scotland in the '90s). So they know they can refuse to play, but they continue to do so. There is not a snowball's chance in hell that an alternative World Cup would gain any sort of traction at all. Fans would be dismissive and the various national football associations would not take it seriously either. Additionally, the footballing calendar is already quite full so you couldn't run it in parallel with the existing tournaments, meaning that you couldn't slowly develop and grow the competition gradually, you'd need to replace the world cup from day one. As shitty as FIFA are, they're here to stay.
tacker2000 4y ago
Huh? Why should a video game company organize a football world cup?

basicoperation 4y ago

No-one plays in the World Cup for the money.

smcl 4y ago
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is correct. There's maybe some bonuses and appearance fees for national teams ... but all the big names people care about earn their money playing for their club.

sofixa 4y ago

> Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks It wasn't righteous, it was over money (FIFA asking for too much). > why don't they organise a football world cup instead Because FIFA is the organising body of football, all regional (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.) and country Football Associations are under FIFA's jurisdiction (and are members of FIFA). Countries couldn't participate in a rival event even if they wanted to, because many of the smaller association basically only exist on FIFA subsidies, and of course there are exclusivity deals. And i doubt many countries and players would prefer the glory of the "EA Cup". The World Cup has never been about money, and the prize pool is already significant.

polotics 4y ago
Does FIFA own a copyright on the word "football"? no Does shipping 20 players from 50 poorer countries cost a lot? no does FIFA even owns a copyright on the words "Football World Cup"?
- smcl 4y ago
  EA could very well setup "The EA Football World Cup" and invite the world's football associations to participate in it, with substantial prize money as a reward. But even if the countries could participate (they couldn't, unless they sent their Under 21s or other development/reserve players, see my other comment) and even if they did participate (many wouldn't) the tournament would be seen as an inferior knock-off and wouldn't gain the support from the fans that would be required to make it worthwhile.
  - polotics 4y ago
    How do you know this? A size 140 Arsenal jersey wearer I know would beg to differ, the Quatar catastrophe being clear for any age to understand. How do you think it would be inferior? The rules of football would be respected, and also it would match EA's official console football game!
    - smcl 4y ago
      If your Arsenal-supporting friend sincerely believes that a rival World Cup would go anywhere at all, then they're a little bit naive and don't really understand the game. Qatar could end up being (more of) a catastrophe, and heads may roll at FIFA but the FIFA World Cup isn't getting replaced any time soon.
      - polotics 4y ago
        They... is a kid. so point taken, still one can dream, right?
        smcl 4y ago

Dma54rhs 4y ago

Football is too traditional to play EA Cup it already sounds like a McDonald's league.

smcl 4y ago
Yeah the "EA Cup" sounds like the name they'd use in a non-licensed football game to avoid being sued

smcl 4y ago

> Get your lawyers to review the contractual structure of leagues and clubs, it can't be that the whole international set of deals is failsafe, players can probably just walk. I think you're mixing up two things: 1. domestic club competitions - Serie A in Italy, the Bundesliga in Germany, The Premier League in England etc - where players have contracts with clubs and where the most successful teams in each league will compete things like the Champions League. 2. the national game - where country-level football associations select teams based on various national eligibility criteria to compete with other countries in continental competitions (European Championship, CONCACAF Cup etc) and the World Cup. FIFA are not really involved with #1, it is primarily concerned with the nation-level competitions. It does have a club-level competition between the winner of each confederations' Champions League equivalent, but only the non-European participants really care about that. Additionally, players can and do "just walk" at the national level - some choose not to play either because they don't want to be injured playing for their country in a 9-0 victory over San Marino when their domestic club is in a tight race for the title or they're on a Champions League run. Players also refuse to play for personal reasons - like due to a falling out with a coach (Roy Keane for Ireland in 2002) or with an association (like Duncan Ferguson for Scotland in the '90s). So they know they can refuse to play, but they continue to do so. There is not a snowball's chance in hell that an alternative World Cup would gain any sort of traction at all. Fans would be dismissive and the various national football associations would not take it seriously either. Additionally, the footballing calendar is already quite full so you couldn't run it in parallel with the existing tournaments, meaning that you couldn't slowly develop and grow the competition gradually, you'd need to replace the world cup from day one. As shitty as FIFA are, they're here to stay.

tacker2000 4y ago

Huh? Why should a video game company organize a football world cup?