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My point was that in countries that make private, consensual activities against the law there are much more severe consequences possible for events that comprom

My point was that in countries that make private, consensual activities against the law there are much more severe consequences possible for events that compromise your privacy.

curiousgal 4y ago
- jl6 4y ago
  A more likely scenario which mirrors how discriminatory laws work elsewhere: 1. Get arrested for a minor offence like speeding. 2. Law enforcement checks your app and infers you are gay (maybe wedding photos of you and your spouse?) 3. It was going to be just a fine, but now you are facing prosecution for the much more serious offence of being gay. 4. Law enforcement officer can make the charges disappear for the right fee, or maybe just decides to go ahead with the much more serious prosecution. 5. Let’s hope you’re not gay and Muslim, because you’re then facing the death penalty too.
  - truemotive 4y ago
    No, it’s worse. All of these steps are asynchronous besides #1, which they don’t need to do upfront… We are apparently in the age of “I can draw a square on google maps, so that makes me privy to [chunk of mass privacy information]”. Worse is they don’t even need the mapping platform to cooperate. Most of this information probably still flows through second-party data brokers or else we would have heard whispers that those organizations are “too big to fail” or something.
    - markdown 4y ago
      Yup, women in the US need to be extremely careful about the apps they install. In Texas, app devs can get massive bounties for reporting if a woman has a medical procedure.
      - leereeves 4y ago
        Just a comment on your obfuscating language: lethal injection is also a medical procedure. Abortion is a complex issue that should be discussed honestly, not obfuscated.
        addicted 4y ago
        Lethal injection is not a medical procedure. If it was a medical procedure it wouldn’t make the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure. Just because a procedure involves injecting chemicals in someone’s body doesn’t mean it’s medical. And abortion is not a complex issue. The only arguments against it are religious and there are religions which require it, so in a purportedly secular country the answer is very simple.
        baseballdork 4y ago
        > If it was a medical procedure it wouldn’t make the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure. Would you consider donating a kidney to be a medical procedure? > And abortion is not a complex issue. I am super pro-choice, but this is a silly statement. Just go ask a bunch of pro-choice people at what point they believe abortion is wrong and you'll get a whole bunch of different answers.
        leereeves 4y ago
        By that definition abortion isn't a medical procedure either, because it makes one of "the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure". And there are human rights arguments against abortion that have nothing to do with religion. Most people agree that the unborn acquire the right to live at some point, and the argument is mostly about when exactly. (Even Roe set that point well before birth.)
        UncleMeat 4y ago
        The recipient of an abortion is the pregnant person who does not want to be pregnant.
  - powerapple 4y ago
    You would be surprise to know the reality, and people are happily living in Qatar, gay or not gay. I wouldn't worry about it.
    - lupire 4y ago
      I would be surprised because it isn't true.
      - powerapple 4y ago
        I know people living in Qatar :) Being gay is not the only thing in a person's life.
markdown 4y ago

My point was that in countries that make private, consensual activities against the law there are much more severe consequences possible for events that compromise your privacy.

curiousgal 4y ago

jl6 4y ago
A more likely scenario which mirrors how discriminatory laws work elsewhere: 1. Get arrested for a minor offence like speeding. 2. Law enforcement checks your app and infers you are gay (maybe wedding photos of you and your spouse?) 3. It was going to be just a fine, but now you are facing prosecution for the much more serious offence of being gay. 4. Law enforcement officer can make the charges disappear for the right fee, or maybe just decides to go ahead with the much more serious prosecution. 5. Let’s hope you’re not gay and Muslim, because you’re then facing the death penalty too.
- truemotive 4y ago
  No, it’s worse. All of these steps are asynchronous besides #1, which they don’t need to do upfront… We are apparently in the age of “I can draw a square on google maps, so that makes me privy to [chunk of mass privacy information]”. Worse is they don’t even need the mapping platform to cooperate. Most of this information probably still flows through second-party data brokers or else we would have heard whispers that those organizations are “too big to fail” or something.
  - markdown 4y ago
    Yup, women in the US need to be extremely careful about the apps they install. In Texas, app devs can get massive bounties for reporting if a woman has a medical procedure.
    - leereeves 4y ago
      Just a comment on your obfuscating language: lethal injection is also a medical procedure. Abortion is a complex issue that should be discussed honestly, not obfuscated.
      - addicted 4y ago
        Lethal injection is not a medical procedure. If it was a medical procedure it wouldn’t make the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure. Just because a procedure involves injecting chemicals in someone’s body doesn’t mean it’s medical. And abortion is not a complex issue. The only arguments against it are religious and there are religions which require it, so in a purportedly secular country the answer is very simple.
        baseballdork 4y ago
        > If it was a medical procedure it wouldn’t make the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure. Would you consider donating a kidney to be a medical procedure? > And abortion is not a complex issue. I am super pro-choice, but this is a silly statement. Just go ask a bunch of pro-choice people at what point they believe abortion is wrong and you'll get a whole bunch of different answers.
        leereeves 4y ago
        By that definition abortion isn't a medical procedure either, because it makes one of "the recipient’s condition deliberately worse than it was before the procedure". And there are human rights arguments against abortion that have nothing to do with religion. Most people agree that the unborn acquire the right to live at some point, and the argument is mostly about when exactly. (Even Roe set that point well before birth.)
        UncleMeat 4y ago
        The recipient of an abortion is the pregnant person who does not want to be pregnant.
- powerapple 4y ago
  You would be surprise to know the reality, and people are happily living in Qatar, gay or not gay. I wouldn't worry about it.
  - lupire 4y ago
    I would be surprised because it isn't true.
    - powerapple 4y ago
      I know people living in Qatar :) Being gay is not the only thing in a person's life.

markdown 4y ago