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The danger is enabling them and normalizing these particular laws. It's objectively wrong to punish people for being gay.

Asraelite 4y ago
- AaronFriel 4y ago
  I suspect you're not as much for gay rights as some people if you're going to moral relativism state sponsored murder of minority groups.
  - swexbe 4y ago
    This is moral chauvinism
  - Asraelite 4y ago
    I would do the exact same for mass genocide or any other atrocity. Logic shouldn't disappear just because the act is above a certain threshold for evil.
- Mesopropithecus 4y ago
  Morality and legality are two different things. If your morality is at odds with Human Rights, maybe your country with DiFfErEnT mOraLiTy shouldn't be part of the UN. Last time I checked, Qatar was part of the UN.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Hmm, I think if UN was based on morality that was in line of Human Rights it would be rather empty and powerless. For example the Security Council would not have any members.
    - Mesopropithecus 4y ago
      Unfortunately you are right.
- stuartjohnson12 4y ago
  If normativity isn't real, it's also not problematic for him to claim that harming gay people is objectively immoral, because there is similarly no obligation to apportion one's beliefs to the evidence.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Why is arrogant? Because I'm claiming a moral value is objective? I believe certain moral issues are objective. I'm not a philosopher or anything similar so I can't go into depth but moral relativism and subjective morality are debated subjects. Here's a great article on objective morality. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/excellent-beauty/201712/morality-is-objective https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/excellent-beauty/201...
  - rhn_mk1 4y ago
    While I appreciate the sentiment, the article performs a sleight of hand by connecting the unassailable "harm is bad by definition" to "those are harmful things". Relativists argue that what is harmful is not a mathematical truth, but rather a result of a given system of values. In the end, the article just shows one point of reference, but fails to establish that it's objective.
  - secureD 4y ago
    There must be a standard to morality too as every other thing

Asraelite 4y ago

AaronFriel 4y ago
I suspect you're not as much for gay rights as some people if you're going to moral relativism state sponsored murder of minority groups.
- swexbe 4y ago
  This is moral chauvinism
- Asraelite 4y ago
  I would do the exact same for mass genocide or any other atrocity. Logic shouldn't disappear just because the act is above a certain threshold for evil.
Mesopropithecus 4y ago
Morality and legality are two different things. If your morality is at odds with Human Rights, maybe your country with DiFfErEnT mOraLiTy shouldn't be part of the UN. Last time I checked, Qatar was part of the UN.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Hmm, I think if UN was based on morality that was in line of Human Rights it would be rather empty and powerless. For example the Security Council would not have any members.
  - Mesopropithecus 4y ago
    Unfortunately you are right.
stuartjohnson12 4y ago
If normativity isn't real, it's also not problematic for him to claim that harming gay people is objectively immoral, because there is similarly no obligation to apportion one's beliefs to the evidence.
themitigating 4y ago
Why is arrogant? Because I'm claiming a moral value is objective? I believe certain moral issues are objective. I'm not a philosopher or anything similar so I can't go into depth but moral relativism and subjective morality are debated subjects. Here's a great article on objective morality. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/excellent-beauty/201712/morality-is-objective https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/excellent-beauty/201...
- rhn_mk1 4y ago
  While I appreciate the sentiment, the article performs a sleight of hand by connecting the unassailable "harm is bad by definition" to "those are harmful things". Relativists argue that what is harmful is not a mathematical truth, but rather a result of a given system of values. In the end, the article just shows one point of reference, but fails to establish that it's objective.
- secureD 4y ago
  There must be a standard to morality too as every other thing