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> The only difference here is that they were able to build an app to do all the tracking in plain sight. I'm sure governments in the US and Europe would love to

> The only difference here is that they were able to build an app to do all the tracking in plain sight. I'm sure governments in the US and Europe would love to be able to force all visitors to install a similar app. Yet, we do not because unlike in Qatar, the UAE and other religious dictatorships, we are a democracy and we have the ability to change our government. You can do better than whatbouatism.

curiousgal 4y ago
- revolutukr 4y ago
  There is no way to answer your trolling without a significant amount of sarcasm. Good day to you.
  - curiousgal 4y ago
    The US is a flawed democracy[0]. You're acting like the US invented democracy and is a champion of freedom and acceptance which is confidently wrong. Try growing up as a gay kid in the bible belt. It won't be so different from doing so in Qatar. 0.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
    - revolutukr 4y ago
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greendude29 4y ago
"It's okay when we commit the same immoral acts that authoritarians commit because we're a democracy" American democracy commits heinous crimes across the world. Being a democracy doesn't absolve them of the moral degeneracy.
- themitigating 4y ago
  He's right about the whataboutism though.
  - greendude29 4y ago
    Right on
  - quetzthecoatl 4y ago
    he is right, but raising whataboutism isn't an argument. It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations. Otherwise, it's a race to make the accusations and the first one wins - everyone else is whataboutism. You can easily see who came up with the inane whatboutism - the one who did a whole lot of crimes in the past, and wants to judge others now for similar crimes.
    - llanowarelves 4y ago
      Yep. It's an inversion so that you're the bad guy for taking a look at the ledger you both (implicitly or explicitly) agreed to use. Variations of: "Hey can I get back that $50 I lent you? I always pay you back and thought we had a mutual understanding, what gives?" "Nice whataboutism, quit trying to make it about me."
      - themitigating 4y ago
        You example doesn't make sense for this situation. It's between two people and things they did. However, The OP isn't the US government and hasn't committed war crimes (I assume). Also your example isn't even whataboutism which is defined as "the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue." What other accusation or difficult question is being raised in your example? It's person A asking for money he lent to person B back and pointing out what when person B lent him money he paid it back.
        4y ago
snehk 4y ago
There is no political party in the US that is against the rigorous collection of private information of people entering the country. Biometric data, social media account disclosure, excessive questioning by the TSA. You literally have no option to change any of this.
- dane-pgp 4y ago
  > You literally have no option to change any of this. I'm guessing you only figuratively mean literally. You have the option of starting your own party that does care about privacy (and then voting for yourself), and you have the option of "contributing to the election campaigns of" (i.e. bribing) politicians who will then vote for legislation you want. More practically, you can campaign within an existing party (presumably the Democrats) for them to support electoral reform (e.g. RCV or Approval Voting, at least for state elections) so that new parties can emerge, and so that the existing parties become more reflective of the actual wishes of voters.
truemotive 4y ago
Yes, I too enjoy my decision on a daily basis as to whether I prefer Pepsi or Coke.

curiousgal 4y ago

revolutukr 4y ago
There is no way to answer your trolling without a significant amount of sarcasm. Good day to you.
- curiousgal 4y ago
  The US is a flawed democracy[0]. You're acting like the US invented democracy and is a champion of freedom and acceptance which is confidently wrong. Try growing up as a gay kid in the bible belt. It won't be so different from doing so in Qatar. 0.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
  - revolutukr 4y ago
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greendude29 4y ago

"It's okay when we commit the same immoral acts that authoritarians commit because we're a democracy" American democracy commits heinous crimes across the world. Being a democracy doesn't absolve them of the moral degeneracy.

themitigating 4y ago
He's right about the whataboutism though.
- greendude29 4y ago
  Right on
- quetzthecoatl 4y ago
  he is right, but raising whataboutism isn't an argument. It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations. Otherwise, it's a race to make the accusations and the first one wins - everyone else is whataboutism. You can easily see who came up with the inane whatboutism - the one who did a whole lot of crimes in the past, and wants to judge others now for similar crimes.
  - llanowarelves 4y ago
    Yep. It's an inversion so that you're the bad guy for taking a look at the ledger you both (implicitly or explicitly) agreed to use. Variations of: "Hey can I get back that $50 I lent you? I always pay you back and thought we had a mutual understanding, what gives?" "Nice whataboutism, quit trying to make it about me."
    - themitigating 4y ago
      You example doesn't make sense for this situation. It's between two people and things they did. However, The OP isn't the US government and hasn't committed war crimes (I assume). Also your example isn't even whataboutism which is defined as "the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue." What other accusation or difficult question is being raised in your example? It's person A asking for money he lent to person B back and pointing out what when person B lent him money he paid it back.
      - 4y ago

snehk 4y ago

There is no political party in the US that is against the rigorous collection of private information of people entering the country. Biometric data, social media account disclosure, excessive questioning by the TSA. You literally have no option to change any of this.

dane-pgp 4y ago
> You literally have no option to change any of this. I'm guessing you only figuratively mean literally. You have the option of starting your own party that does care about privacy (and then voting for yourself), and you have the option of "contributing to the election campaigns of" (i.e. bribing) politicians who will then vote for legislation you want. More practically, you can campaign within an existing party (presumably the Democrats) for them to support electoral reform (e.g. RCV or Approval Voting, at least for state elections) so that new parties can emerge, and so that the existing parties become more reflective of the actual wishes of voters.

truemotive 4y ago

Yes, I too enjoy my decision on a daily basis as to whether I prefer Pepsi or Coke.