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Is national socialism antithetical to free universal healthcare?
by 8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y ago
Is national socialism antithetical to free universal healthcare?
- MarkMarine 4y ago[flagged]
- nailer 4y agoThe nazis admitted they were inspired by socialism, nazism specifically had elements of class warfare. “goldfish brain” isn’t much of a response.
- goodpoint 4y agoThis is provably false. The nazi imprisoned and even exterminated socialists and communists as soon as they could.
- nailer 4y agoI don’t follow your logic- my statement was that that the nazis openly considered themselves socialists and class warfare was a huge part of nazi ideology. Your state that’s probably false - but then don’t prove either of those statements false. It’s entirely possible to fight between factions of the same side of politics.
- rosnd 4y agoClass warfare seems to be a standard part of far right ideology, from Trump crowd to European far right.
- nailer 4y agoTrump isn't far right. If you think he is you likely have very little knowledge of politics.
- rosnd 4y agoOr perhaps you have very little knowledge of politics? From a European perspective, Trump crowd is certainly far right. Shit, even most democrats would be right wing here.
- nailer 4y agoIn Europe. Trumps not advocating for an ethno state, political violence or anything else we’d typically associate with the far right.
- rosnd 4y agoTrump is not advocating for political violence? Huh. Well, I guess that's debatable. I'd argue that his election related claims are exactly that, if the elections are fraudulent what alternatives are there to solve that but violence? What other alternative could there be if the other party has truly pulled off such a coup? Trump also pushes extreme religious views, such as abortion bans (In fact, he claims the abortion ban to have been decided by God himself).
- nailer 4y agoBy that novel standard anyone else with an equally ridiculous conspiracy is calling for violence. Think Trump got in by secretly collating with Putin? Call to violence. Neither situation is how the far right, eg the BNP or German neo nazi groups would operate.
- rosnd 4y ago> Think Trump got in by secretly collating with Putin? Call to violence. I don't understand that one. It's normal to collude with third parties to win elections.
- MarkMarine 4y agoRidiculous. Like I said, goldfish brained thinking. If you read just a little bit and used some critical thinking, you could figure this out yourself but it sounds like you prefer to think what you currently think because it supports your current ideology.
- nailer 4y agook
- goodpoint 4y agoBoth the fascists and the nazi never considered themselves socialists. This is proven by numerous quotes from mussolini, hitler, various party members and verified by historians. The fact that both fascists and nazi imprisoned, tortured and killed socialists and communists (again, widely proven by historians) is perfectly aligned with that. Additionally, both fascists and nazi never implemented policies or took actions that would be aligned with socialism.
- nailer 4y ago> Both the fascists and the nazi never considered themselves socialists. That’s provably incorrect, see the link posted by the other socialist in this same thread.
- heavyset_go 4y agoNazis piggybacked on the popularity of socialist movements at the time, but the Nazis were explicitly not Marxist-inspired socialists, they say so themselves. According to them, they re-appropriated the word to redefine it to something else, an ideology opposed to socialism that was meant to empower the Volk[1]. According to the Nazis, Marxism, socialism and communism were Jewish conspiracies to weaken the Volk. They chose to redefine the popular term so that it is explicitly divorced from its Marxist origins to mean something else entirely. Marxist socialism is explicitly about workers owning the means of production, while Nazism exalts the Volk and seeks to restore the domination of the German people/Volk. [1] https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken3...
- nailer 4y ago> they re-appropriated the word to redefine it to something else, an ideology opposed to socialism that was meant to empower the Volk I was referring to the exact writing you reference, and it does not support the point that nazism reappropriated the word to mean something else.
- heavyset_go 4y agoYes, the Nazi state existed for the Volk[1], the Nazis' economic policy was that of privatization[2] and Social Darwinism. Universal healthcare as implemented in Germany in the 1800's covered more groups than what the Nazis considered the Volk, depending on the implementation, free universal healthcare flies in the face of economic privatization, and Nazis' Social Darwinism said that the weak who can't take care of themselves should be culled. [1] https://www.britannica.com/biography/Adolf-Hitler/Rise-to-power#ref249686 https://www.britannica.com/biography/Adolf-Hitler/Rise-to-po... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization#Etymology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization#Etymology