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“More than 230 filmmakers signed a letter denouncing the documentary. A majority had not seen it.” Just a reminder that the far ends of the political spectrum
by subpixel 4y ago
“More than 230 filmmakers signed a letter denouncing the documentary. A majority had not seen it.”
Just a reminder that the far ends of the political spectrum loop back and connect.
- mmanfrin 4y agoJust a reminder that the horseshoe theory isn't fact.
- carabiner 4y agoThough with the dirtbag left now flirting with being "trad cath" and softening towards racial realism, it does seem like it's approach the intellectual fascism of the nazis.
- MarkMarine 4y agoThis is incorrect in its facts and framing. I’m not going to get into a long political discussion, this doesn’t seem the place for it, but I would implore you to look further into this before you start throwing words like fascism and nazi around when you’re talking about people who basically want to give everyone free healthcare.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y agoIs national socialism antithetical to free universal healthcare?
- MarkMarine 4y ago[flagged]
- nailer 4y agoThe nazis admitted they were inspired by socialism, nazism specifically had elements of class warfare. “goldfish brain” isn’t much of a response.
- goodpoint 4y agoThis is provably false. The nazi imprisoned and even exterminated socialists and communists as soon as they could.
- nailer 4y agoI don’t follow your logic- my statement was that that the nazis openly considered themselves socialists and class warfare was a huge part of nazi ideology. Your state that’s probably false - but then don’t prove either of those statements false. It’s entirely possible to fight between factions of the same side of politics.
- rosnd 4y agoClass warfare seems to be a standard part of far right ideology, from Trump crowd to European far right.
- nailer 4y agoTrump isn't far right. If you think he is you likely have very little knowledge of politics.
- rosnd 4y agoOr perhaps you have very little knowledge of politics? From a European perspective, Trump crowd is certainly far right. Shit, even most democrats would be right wing here.
- nailer 4y agoIn Europe. Trumps not advocating for an ethno state, political violence or anything else we’d typically associate with the far right.
- heavyset_go 4y agoYes, the Nazi state existed for the Volk[1], the Nazis' economic policy was that of privatization[2] and Social Darwinism. Universal healthcare as implemented in Germany in the 1800's covered more groups than what the Nazis considered the Volk, depending on the implementation, free universal healthcare flies in the face of economic privatization, and Nazis' Social Darwinism said that the weak who can't take care of themselves should be culled. [1] https://www.britannica.com/biography/Adolf-Hitler/Rise-to-power#ref249686 https://www.britannica.com/biography/Adolf-Hitler/Rise-to-po... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization#Etymology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization#Etymology
- bigDinosaur 4y agoYou can have authoritarian left and authoritarian right. That's not really related to healthcare. Authoritarians tend towards abuses of power - I kind of don't find it terribly relevant if millions were killed or imprisoned because of the differences in their ideals, which is what the horseshoe theory speaks to. What it speaks to is mainly that the methods - e.g. unconstrained power of an executive or government, become more similar than not as extremism increases. It's not really saying that the ideology necessarily comes to match, only that the ideology matters less than whatever horrible things are coming your way, beliefs be damned.
- nailer 4y agoIn the UK it’s the far left (Labour after it was taken over by Momentum) who’ve had major issues with antisemitism and ignored it for years until they were forced to take action. Thirty years ago it would have been the far right. So yes.
- dontlaugh 4y agoMomentum isn’t far left, the Communist Party of Britain is. Labour wasn’t taken over by Momentum, people that liked Corbyn joined Labour. And finally, antisemitism accusations were used cynically by the right of Labour for years, trying to equate anti-Zionism with antisemitism. Have a look at the Labour Files at least. So not even a little.
- nailer 4y ago> Momentum isn’t far left, the Communist Party of Britain is. If you support terror groups - and I mean in the strictest sense, as in people that attack civilians - you're on the far edge of politics. Before you shout that Corbyn was 'reaching out' to terrorists by saying they're his friends, that punishing people that killed innocent people in Brighton was a show trial, or laying wreaths at their funerals: everyone involved in Northern Ireland or the Middle East peace processes claims that Corbyn, a Labour back bencher at the time, had nothing to do with either of the Northern Ireland or the Middle East peace process. > People that liked Corbyn joined Labour Because of a Momentum campaign that cynically exploited a brief moment allowing anyone to join the Labour party for 5 pounds. > antisemitism accusations were used cynically by the right of Labour for years And obviously the far left is still denying them even after the party's own investigation found they had substance.
- MarkMarine 4y agoThis is hacker news not Facebook. If you want to argue politics go there.
- nailer 4y ago
- aaronbrethorst 4y agoThe Bruenigs are assholes but that doesn't make them "approach the intellectual fascism of the nazis"
- Grimburger 4y agoBy definition it can't be, but neither can the general theory of relativity.
- dudeinjapan 4y agoClose only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y agoThis is all reminiscent of the 80s and 90s Christian right groups picketing outside of Rock and Roll concerts demanding that Marilyn Manson be forbidden from playing in their town because of his corrupting influence on the youth, that his music was going to lead to real physical harm. Same with dungeons and dragons before that. Had any of them ever listened to that music? Ever played a D&D session? Nope. It's interesting how easy it was to ignore and ridicule those movements at the time, we'd go "ah, those silly fundies", how quaint. Remember Kevin Smith picketing with them outside of movie theaters at the Dogma premiere? We got a good chuckle out of it. Yet look at how seriously the same people are taking the current flavor of moral panic.
- ericjung1982 4y agoIt predates Marilyn Mason by many years. Black Sabbath in the 70s and Ozzy Osbourne (solo) in the early 80s come to mind.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y agoTotally fair. The whole playing records backwards trolling for audio that might sound like satanic verses, whatever that means, comes to mind.
- Hoasi 4y ago> The whole playing records backwards trolling for audio that might sound like satanic verses, whatever that means On the other hand, these claims turned out to be excellent marketing for those records.
- edanm 4y agoI don't remember where, but I heard a podcast with someone who did music promotion for some of these artists. They would call the newspapers and feed them stories about the terrible musicians who do things like "eat bats live on stage", to get outraged parents to boycott these concerts. This was a very successful promotional effort for them.
- brutusborn 4y agoIs this from another article or did you change the quote? The article says "...signed by over 200 filmmakers, many of whom had never seen the film"
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- cfeduke 4y agoThe original copy referencing 230 filmmakers appears in the NY Times in September.
- brutusborn 4y agoI was more interested in "many" vs "majority". Those mean very different things.
- albertop 4y agoNot surprising. They would have been cancelled if they did not. Nowadays if you not actively against it you are obviously guilty.
- anonair 4y agoOne doesn't need seeing the film to notice the racism in the title. The title could be "terrorist rehab", but it now looks like jihad is bad per se, while jihad for Muslims can mean anything from "struggle against self ego" to "defend country from invasion". All Muslim scholars denounce terrorism and yet she chose "jihad" in the title.
- aaplok 4y agoThe article mentions that "jihad rehab" is the name of the Saudi program the subjects of the documentary are enrolled in. She didn't chose "jihad", she chose "jihad rehab". "Terrorist rehab" would be quite an ill-suited name. There is no indication that the men in the documentary ever were terrorists, aside from one of them. You could have suggested "Guantanamo rehab". That would have better qualified the men in the film than "terrorists". Even then I think it's unfair to call racist her decision to name the film after that Saudi program.
- anonair 4y agoNo, article mentions _her_ statement about the name. If you have a more reputable source for that, I will retract
- stefantalpalaru 4y ago
- molotovh 4y agoIf your issue is that you find the title racist, then your issue is with the Saudi Arabian government, not Ms. Smaker. The filmmaker accurately named her documentary after the subject of the film, which was a Saudi government program. If you read the article instead of immediately having a knee-jerk reaction to perceived "wrongspeak", you could easily have ascertained that information.
- anonair 4y agoI read the article, and only saw her account of the name. If you have more reputable source for that I will retract
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y agoFamously, after Pasternak's Doctor Zhivago was awarded the Nobel Prize in literature, a flood of derogatory letters were published in Soviet newspapers, each beginning with "I have not read the novel..." As a result, Pasternak was forced to decline the Nobel Prize.