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Similar article from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/sundance-jihad-rehab-meg-smaker.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/sundance-jihad-re

Similar article from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/sundance-jihad-rehab-meg-smaker.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/sundance-jihad-rehab-m... With a lot less whining about 'the woke mob'.

acomjean 4y ago
I came to post the same. It was a couple weeks ago. According to that recently renamed film “The UnRedacted.” National review is going to do its thing, though the times seemed to take a dim view of its Sundance cancelation. Here’s a nytimes “gift” link https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/sundance-jihad-rehab-meg-smaker.html?unlocked_article_code=MZ_kGoIKIyXWZ-Qn8zASfsVcSlhO9IKEUVJfGmKwRla6L9J4BNQNmbd1fB2B_3OUtH72zfIkPfVbgM5DoDobkmqAzG7gQukkLbJ5M8KRYfTSbaU-MCdZl_FUWIFxUn4XZRk3fFAf-ZArbwCqJbYBeJBe-RvTvzZMgVYfSrqCvxrGgXv6bnMyLNjZo8NMpWoKTdIC_zYKzAECjUvkHGtJPAAGHEdT5BTAnbVdiDsDu16V-C-S8z-PRWhPOiKN3Vfv4aojf_MwyrJrFSCzJbE3iq5sOlXycLATZA95BD8vfmFrBsAkMyrhqMvn2xgQIffH3cqpkqMu5zL-P0jSrvf-WQKK-c8&smid=share-url https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/sundance-jihad-rehab-m...
addicted 4y ago
This whole story is just disgraceful. And while there are definitely understandable concerns about interviewing a basically imprisoned population, 1. the fact that only a handful of prisoners opted to speak while the rest declined shows that they did have at least some degree of choice, and 2. the viewer can balance what the documentary presents against the circumstances in which it was created. Considering the actual content of the documentary it’s hard to see how else this story could be told. Finally, I thought we were past the whole “only people of a community can make stories about that community” thing. It would be one thing if someone with a similar background had stayed in the facility for a year and also made an equivalent story. Arguably they should get higher weight. But no one else did. This story is not displacing anyone else. In its absence all we have is a vacuum.
- tomrod 4y ago
  I'd heard the interview subjects were interviewed under false pretenses. Is this not the case?
  - dymk 4y ago
    Where'd you hear that?
    - tomrod 4y ago
      > Another man said that he had explicitly told the film-maker that he did not want to be featured in the film but his wishes had been disregarded. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/jul/29/jihad-rehab-former-guantanamo-prisoners-call-for-documentary-to-be-withdrawn https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/j...
  - dnissley 4y ago
    Where did you hear that?
    - tomrod 4y ago
      https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/jul/29/jihad-rehab-former-guantanamo-prisoners-call-for-documentary-to-be-withdrawn https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/j...
hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
This is a quote from the NYT article: > But attacks would come from the left, not the right. Arab and Muslim filmmakers and their white supporters accused Ms. Smaker of Islamophobia and American propaganda. Some suggested her race was disqualifying, a white woman who presumed to tell the story of Arab men. > Sundance leaders reversed themselves and apologized. > Abigail Disney, a grandniece of Walt Disney, had been the executive producer of “Jihad Rehab” and called it “freaking brilliant” in an email to Ms. Smaker. Now she disavowed it. > The film “landed like a truckload of hate,” Ms. Disney wrote in an open letter. You may not refer to it as a "woke mob", but that really seems what happened. As someone who has always identified as liberal, it is absolutely shocking to me how large swaths of the American left are OK with the idea that "Some suggested her race was disqualifying, a white woman who presumed to tell the story of Arab men". To me, telling someone they aren't allowed to do something because of their race is the absolute antithesis of everything I felt it was to be "liberal".
- wrycoder 4y ago
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  - faeriechangling 4y ago
    There's over a billion Muslims.
    - nailer 4y ago
      Secular urban-Turkish-style Muslims are in the minority though. I agree people shouldn’t make sweeping statements, but the majority are indeed patriarchal conservatives.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > The attraction of the left to Islam is a marriage of convenience. Libs don’t exist in Muslim majority countries. Libs aren’t the left, and both libs and leftists exist in Muslim majority countries. Heck, there are enough leftists in Turkey for there to be a Wikipedia category page for “Socialist Parties in Turkey”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Socialist_parties_in_Turkey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Socialist_parties_i...
MrStonedOne 4y ago
md2020 4y ago
You need to realize that mobs are a real thing and in this case, they ruined a woman’s career for completely constructed, ridiculous reasons. This kind of behavior is disgusting. I don’t know why you describe this article as “whining”. This person had nearly a decade of her life’s work torn apart by people who only see the world through the lens of power and oppression, and whose only goals are to endlessly virtue signal to one another while creating nothing of value themselves.
- titanomachy 4y ago
  Her career may yet recover. She is young and talented, and the mob has a short attention span.
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acomjean 4y ago

I came to post the same. It was a couple weeks ago. According to that recently renamed film “The UnRedacted.” National review is going to do its thing, though the times seemed to take a dim view of its Sundance cancelation. Here’s a nytimes “gift” link https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/sundance-jihad-rehab-meg-smaker.html?unlocked_article_code=MZ_kGoIKIyXWZ-Qn8zASfsVcSlhO9IKEUVJfGmKwRla6L9J4BNQNmbd1fB2B_3OUtH72zfIkPfVbgM5DoDobkmqAzG7gQukkLbJ5M8KRYfTSbaU-MCdZl_FUWIFxUn4XZRk3fFAf-ZArbwCqJbYBeJBe-RvTvzZMgVYfSrqCvxrGgXv6bnMyLNjZo8NMpWoKTdIC_zYKzAECjUvkHGtJPAAGHEdT5BTAnbVdiDsDu16V-C-S8z-PRWhPOiKN3Vfv4aojf_MwyrJrFSCzJbE3iq5sOlXycLATZA95BD8vfmFrBsAkMyrhqMvn2xgQIffH3cqpkqMu5zL-P0jSrvf-WQKK-c8&smid=share-url https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/us/sundance-jihad-rehab-m...

addicted 4y ago

This whole story is just disgraceful. And while there are definitely understandable concerns about interviewing a basically imprisoned population, 1. the fact that only a handful of prisoners opted to speak while the rest declined shows that they did have at least some degree of choice, and 2. the viewer can balance what the documentary presents against the circumstances in which it was created. Considering the actual content of the documentary it’s hard to see how else this story could be told. Finally, I thought we were past the whole “only people of a community can make stories about that community” thing. It would be one thing if someone with a similar background had stayed in the facility for a year and also made an equivalent story. Arguably they should get higher weight. But no one else did. This story is not displacing anyone else. In its absence all we have is a vacuum.

tomrod 4y ago
I'd heard the interview subjects were interviewed under false pretenses. Is this not the case?
- dymk 4y ago
  Where'd you hear that?
  - tomrod 4y ago
    > Another man said that he had explicitly told the film-maker that he did not want to be featured in the film but his wishes had been disregarded. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/jul/29/jihad-rehab-former-guantanamo-prisoners-call-for-documentary-to-be-withdrawn https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/j...
- dnissley 4y ago
  Where did you hear that?
  - tomrod 4y ago
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/jul/29/jihad-rehab-former-guantanamo-prisoners-call-for-documentary-to-be-withdrawn https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2022/j...

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

This is a quote from the NYT article: > But attacks would come from the left, not the right. Arab and Muslim filmmakers and their white supporters accused Ms. Smaker of Islamophobia and American propaganda. Some suggested her race was disqualifying, a white woman who presumed to tell the story of Arab men. > Sundance leaders reversed themselves and apologized. > Abigail Disney, a grandniece of Walt Disney, had been the executive producer of “Jihad Rehab” and called it “freaking brilliant” in an email to Ms. Smaker. Now she disavowed it. > The film “landed like a truckload of hate,” Ms. Disney wrote in an open letter. You may not refer to it as a "woke mob", but that really seems what happened. As someone who has always identified as liberal, it is absolutely shocking to me how large swaths of the American left are OK with the idea that "Some suggested her race was disqualifying, a white woman who presumed to tell the story of Arab men". To me, telling someone they aren't allowed to do something because of their race is the absolute antithesis of everything I felt it was to be "liberal".

wrycoder 4y ago
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- faeriechangling 4y ago
  There's over a billion Muslims.
  - nailer 4y ago
    Secular urban-Turkish-style Muslims are in the minority though. I agree people shouldn’t make sweeping statements, but the majority are indeed patriarchal conservatives.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > The attraction of the left to Islam is a marriage of convenience. Libs don’t exist in Muslim majority countries. Libs aren’t the left, and both libs and leftists exist in Muslim majority countries. Heck, there are enough leftists in Turkey for there to be a Wikipedia category page for “Socialist Parties in Turkey”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Socialist_parties_in_Turkey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Socialist_parties_i...

MrStonedOne 4y ago

md2020 4y ago

You need to realize that mobs are a real thing and in this case, they ruined a woman’s career for completely constructed, ridiculous reasons. This kind of behavior is disgusting. I don’t know why you describe this article as “whining”. This person had nearly a decade of her life’s work torn apart by people who only see the world through the lens of power and oppression, and whose only goals are to endlessly virtue signal to one another while creating nothing of value themselves.

titanomachy 4y ago
Her career may yet recover. She is young and talented, and the mob has a short attention span.

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