4 ms·

> Your experience has to do with tighter regulation of legal fentanyl. This framing is incredibly misleading, their experience has to do with access to fentany

> Your experience has to do with tighter regulation of legal fentanyl. This framing is incredibly misleading, their experience has to do with access to fentanyl. Dropping tighter regulations of legal fentanyl would not have changed their experience, it would have brought their experience of fentanyl access to many more people. Exposing people looking for fentanyl to such bad experience is not the reasonable or just outcome you present it to be. The physical side-effects and addictive nature of fentanyl means lapses of judgement by well meaning and reasonable people incurs far greater risk of irrecoverable damage than other kinds of bad choices allowed in liberal societies. And narcan doesn't magically fix that, it only addresses one specific thing (overdoses).

yieldcrv 4y ago
Yes, narcan for overdoses. What way did you read that I thought it was for something else. Its a list of policy measures not a consecutive thought. What do you have in mind then? I’m worried about fentanyl poisoning to people that accepted a risk to take something else, but got hit with a speck of fentanyl instead. A fixed supply chain helps them.
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  You can help unintentional fentanyl poisoning victims without legalizing fentanyl to the general public. I don't see how that's related to fentanyl's supply chain, the supply chain is tightly regulated but enough is already available for medical use. Treating fentanyl poisoning and rehab definitely counts as medical use. I'd prefer general/leisure use bans on fentanyl and an extensive crackdown on illicit fentanyl distribution. Drug crackdowns on relatively harmless drugs like marijuana are severely hampered by public opposition to it and partly racist motivations: a lot of people will either not cooperate or fight back against the immorality of discriminatorily punishing the possession of a harmless drug. That doesn't really happen for crackdowns on less morally ambiguous crackdowns like human trafficking or meth or barbiturates. People believe they are dangerous because they are actually very dangerous and it's not difficult to understand why. It doesn't suffer from a crisis of legitimacy that is critical to government power. The wrong message to take away from the failed war on marijuana is that the government cannot enforce any significant restrictions on substances.
  - yieldcrv 4y ago
    (yeah because we're fixing cocaine's supply chain. this is what I'm talking about)

yieldcrv 4y ago

Yes, narcan for overdoses. What way did you read that I thought it was for something else. Its a list of policy measures not a consecutive thought. What do you have in mind then? I’m worried about fentanyl poisoning to people that accepted a risk to take something else, but got hit with a speck of fentanyl instead. A fixed supply chain helps them.

themacguffinman 4y ago
You can help unintentional fentanyl poisoning victims without legalizing fentanyl to the general public. I don't see how that's related to fentanyl's supply chain, the supply chain is tightly regulated but enough is already available for medical use. Treating fentanyl poisoning and rehab definitely counts as medical use. I'd prefer general/leisure use bans on fentanyl and an extensive crackdown on illicit fentanyl distribution. Drug crackdowns on relatively harmless drugs like marijuana are severely hampered by public opposition to it and partly racist motivations: a lot of people will either not cooperate or fight back against the immorality of discriminatorily punishing the possession of a harmless drug. That doesn't really happen for crackdowns on less morally ambiguous crackdowns like human trafficking or meth or barbiturates. People believe they are dangerous because they are actually very dangerous and it's not difficult to understand why. It doesn't suffer from a crisis of legitimacy that is critical to government power. The wrong message to take away from the failed war on marijuana is that the government cannot enforce any significant restrictions on substances.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  (yeah because we're fixing cocaine's supply chain. this is what I'm talking about)