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Heaven forbid a country invest in the education of its people. What a terrible no good idea, we should definitely be putting that money into pumping business or

Heaven forbid a country invest in the education of its people. What a terrible no good idea, we should definitely be putting that money into pumping business or other interests.

OrangeMonkey 4y ago
You must have assumed I was against it - I am not sure why. I am just pointing out that there is no forgiveness, the education expenses incurred by college graduates is now being paid by blue collar workers, and its the most regressive tax we have ever had. That doesn't mean I am against it. I just want folks to know that the person paying your college off is a guy who wishes he could have gone to college.
- qbasic_forever 4y ago
  Complete nonsense, there's no tax increase for anyone to fund this work. We're buying like 10 less missile systems from Raytheon on a tab of defense spending 100k items long to fund stuff like this. It's a complete nonissue and you're just trying to make some bizarre emotional appeal.
haswell 4y ago
This is the thing that gets me. We collectively invest in a large number of things that may not directly benefit us. My tax dollars fund programs that primarily benefit people that need the money due to choices I personally never would have made. But that’s the point of a social system. The moment that collective investment is about education or healthcare, people seem to apply an entirely different ruleset.
- sigzero 4y ago
  That isn't what this is though is it? This is people voluntarily taking loans to fund their education and now getting that paid off with other peoples money. With that logic, when are they paying my mortgage or credit card bills off which are also voluntary debt? I an all for investing in education. This is not that.
  - qbasic_forever 4y ago
    If we want to argue about tax dollars being stolen then the massive bank bailouts and decade of QE by the fed are massively, _massively_ more of a problem and cost. Stop bailing out bad business decisions with my money and then we can talk about not spending it on stuff like paying off education loans.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      Half a trillion dollars is not insignificant.
      - xboxnolifes 4y ago
        If you look back up, nobody said it was.
        WalterBright 4y ago
        Yeah, the parent did. It's in the same order of magnitude.
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  "need" would be the key word here, do college graduates need the money? If a program is regressive, it means it's transferring money from people who need the money to people who either don't need the money or need it less. That doesn't exactly benefit people who need the money either.
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pb7 4y ago
If you want to invest in education then negotiate deals with universities as a government instead of handing blank checks to institutions that are charging $60K/year for tuition that’s somehow offered for 1/10th the price at similar institutions. This is pouring one bucket of water on a house fire but that bucket of water was someone’s only drinking water. It doesn’t solve the problem at all but now you’ve also pissed off a bunch of other people.
- SantalBlush 4y ago
  I'd wager most people on both sides of the political aisle would be in favor of more financial accountability from universities.
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AmVess 4y ago
People need to invest in themselves instead of begging for freebies. There's no reason why I should be paying for someone's pointless and useless education.
smegsicle 4y ago
it's called Pell Grants and it doesn't involve subsidizing universities for providing useless degrees at ridiculously inflated prices
WalterBright 4y ago
The investment was loaning the money to them in the first place. If they can't pay it back, it was a bad investment.
not_the_fda 4y ago
We should invest in education where we need it. This is STEM majors and those without degrees subsidizing liberal arts majors that got worthless degrees.

Heaven forbid a country invest in the education of its people. What a terrible no good idea, we should definitely be putting that money into pumping business or other interests.

OrangeMonkey 4y ago

You must have assumed I was against it - I am not sure why. I am just pointing out that there is no forgiveness, the education expenses incurred by college graduates is now being paid by blue collar workers, and its the most regressive tax we have ever had. That doesn't mean I am against it. I just want folks to know that the person paying your college off is a guy who wishes he could have gone to college.

qbasic_forever 4y ago
Complete nonsense, there's no tax increase for anyone to fund this work. We're buying like 10 less missile systems from Raytheon on a tab of defense spending 100k items long to fund stuff like this. It's a complete nonissue and you're just trying to make some bizarre emotional appeal.

haswell 4y ago

This is the thing that gets me. We collectively invest in a large number of things that may not directly benefit us. My tax dollars fund programs that primarily benefit people that need the money due to choices I personally never would have made. But that’s the point of a social system. The moment that collective investment is about education or healthcare, people seem to apply an entirely different ruleset.

sigzero 4y ago
That isn't what this is though is it? This is people voluntarily taking loans to fund their education and now getting that paid off with other peoples money. With that logic, when are they paying my mortgage or credit card bills off which are also voluntary debt? I an all for investing in education. This is not that.
- qbasic_forever 4y ago
  If we want to argue about tax dollars being stolen then the massive bank bailouts and decade of QE by the fed are massively, _massively_ more of a problem and cost. Stop bailing out bad business decisions with my money and then we can talk about not spending it on stuff like paying off education loans.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    Half a trillion dollars is not insignificant.
    - xboxnolifes 4y ago
      If you look back up, nobody said it was.
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        Yeah, the parent did. It's in the same order of magnitude.
themacguffinman 4y ago
"need" would be the key word here, do college graduates need the money? If a program is regressive, it means it's transferring money from people who need the money to people who either don't need the money or need it less. That doesn't exactly benefit people who need the money either.
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pb7 4y ago

If you want to invest in education then negotiate deals with universities as a government instead of handing blank checks to institutions that are charging $60K/year for tuition that’s somehow offered for 1/10th the price at similar institutions. This is pouring one bucket of water on a house fire but that bucket of water was someone’s only drinking water. It doesn’t solve the problem at all but now you’ve also pissed off a bunch of other people.

SantalBlush 4y ago
I'd wager most people on both sides of the political aisle would be in favor of more financial accountability from universities.

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AmVess 4y ago

People need to invest in themselves instead of begging for freebies. There's no reason why I should be paying for someone's pointless and useless education.

smegsicle 4y ago

it's called Pell Grants and it doesn't involve subsidizing universities for providing useless degrees at ridiculously inflated prices

WalterBright 4y ago

The investment was loaning the money to them in the first place. If they can't pay it back, it was a bad investment.

not_the_fda 4y ago

We should invest in education where we need it. This is STEM majors and those without degrees subsidizing liberal arts majors that got worthless degrees.