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>the painful reckoning with yourself I really don’t think this is the thing that puts people off. I think the main factor is financial cost. psychiatry is ext

>the painful reckoning with yourself I really don’t think this is the thing that puts people off. I think the main factor is financial cost. psychiatry is extremely expensive, and often hard to get hold of. another large part is the representation of psychiatry in films, where it’s often depicted as mimsy-whimsy dream interpretation with freudian psychobabble. thirdly I think some people assume that there is only so much people can do with words, and/or are afraid of medicine that influences the brain

philosopher1234 4y ago
I agree that it is not the only thing that puts people off. The cost is a significant challenge. But I think it is one of the biggest factors. You even display some of it yourself in the way you refer to dream analysis and Freud. It’s not just you, psychoanalysts themselves have anxieties about delving into the uncertain, unproven speculative parts of their minds. The hatable thing about psychoanalysis is that it often suggests that we cause our own suffering. I’m repeating myself, but I don’t think that’s a welcome message for basically anyone (and obviously, it is not true in many cases). And that kind of explanation can be oppressive, when misused.
- samatman 4y ago
  I'm more opposed to the enormous amounts of time and money, balanced against the paucity of evidence that it does anything positive for the patient. Yeah, the patient often feels like it's helping. But that's true of joining a cult as well.
  - philosopher1234 4y ago
    There is a risk of psychoanalysis being culty, skepticism can combat that. It is unfortunate that there hasn’t been more research, but I think you misrepresent the evidence, psychoanalysis’ efficacy is established: https://jonathanshedler.com/PDFs/Shedler%20(2010)%20Efficacy%20of%20Psychodynamic%20Psychotherapy.pdf https://jonathanshedler.com/PDFs/Shedler%20(2010)%20Efficacy...

philosopher1234 4y ago

I agree that it is not the only thing that puts people off. The cost is a significant challenge. But I think it is one of the biggest factors. You even display some of it yourself in the way you refer to dream analysis and Freud. It’s not just you, psychoanalysts themselves have anxieties about delving into the uncertain, unproven speculative parts of their minds. The hatable thing about psychoanalysis is that it often suggests that we cause our own suffering. I’m repeating myself, but I don’t think that’s a welcome message for basically anyone (and obviously, it is not true in many cases). And that kind of explanation can be oppressive, when misused.

samatman 4y ago
I'm more opposed to the enormous amounts of time and money, balanced against the paucity of evidence that it does anything positive for the patient. Yeah, the patient often feels like it's helping. But that's true of joining a cult as well.
- philosopher1234 4y ago
  There is a risk of psychoanalysis being culty, skepticism can combat that. It is unfortunate that there hasn’t been more research, but I think you misrepresent the evidence, psychoanalysis’ efficacy is established: https://jonathanshedler.com/PDFs/Shedler%20(2010)%20Efficacy%20of%20Psychodynamic%20Psychotherapy.pdf https://jonathanshedler.com/PDFs/Shedler%20(2010)%20Efficacy...