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Who said we need to put the solar cells in Sweden? We could put them anywhere. Sweden is already producing enough low cost energy to meet its needs, only prices

Who said we need to put the solar cells in Sweden? We could put them anywhere. Sweden is already producing enough low cost energy to meet its needs, only prices are high because we are exporting it to other countries willing to pay. If Sweden wants to invest in power for export, we could make that investment anywhere.

barry-cotter 4y ago
> Who said we need to put the solar cells in Sweden? Having the natural gas in Russia hasn’t really worked out for Sweden. People care about security of supply because national markets are more robust than international ones.
tored 4y ago
In the direction the world is going, the breakdown of globalization, every country will be required to be self sufficient.
- adrianN 4y ago
  Lucky for Sweden then that they already are?
  - kzrdude 4y ago
    Time to increase generation capacity by +50% to feed everything we want to use electricity for.
  - tored 4y ago
    Not self sufficient enough and also depending on weather. There will be much higher demand of electricity in the close future, e.g. battery factories requires a lot of it. Carbon free steel is another, true is that some of it the involved companies will provide their own electricity production, but that will not be enough. But there are also other industry that requires electricity for expansion like food industry, paper mills etc. Another thing is that Sweden has an unequal distribution of production of electricity, a lot of production (hydro) is far north where fewer live, and little production far south where everyone live. The nuclear reactors that were shutdown was all in southern Sweden. It is hard to transport vast amount of electricity from north to south because of limited bandwidth but also because of the newly shutdown nuclear reactors, they provided necessary stability to grid, with them gone it made it harder to transport electricity from north to south. Another problem is that because of the push on wind power and the shutdown on nuclear power, the electricity system has become much more weather dependent resulting in massive price spikes. That is generally bad for industry that want predictable prices. This also has the consequence that the electricity price of the continent can infect the price in Sweden because Sweden is connected to the same grid. If temporary shortage in southern Sweden, then import of capacity from the continent is required but with that comes a higher price.

barry-cotter 4y ago

> Who said we need to put the solar cells in Sweden? Having the natural gas in Russia hasn’t really worked out for Sweden. People care about security of supply because national markets are more robust than international ones.

tored 4y ago

In the direction the world is going, the breakdown of globalization, every country will be required to be self sufficient.

adrianN 4y ago
Lucky for Sweden then that they already are?
- kzrdude 4y ago
  Time to increase generation capacity by +50% to feed everything we want to use electricity for.
- tored 4y ago
  Not self sufficient enough and also depending on weather. There will be much higher demand of electricity in the close future, e.g. battery factories requires a lot of it. Carbon free steel is another, true is that some of it the involved companies will provide their own electricity production, but that will not be enough. But there are also other industry that requires electricity for expansion like food industry, paper mills etc. Another thing is that Sweden has an unequal distribution of production of electricity, a lot of production (hydro) is far north where fewer live, and little production far south where everyone live. The nuclear reactors that were shutdown was all in southern Sweden. It is hard to transport vast amount of electricity from north to south because of limited bandwidth but also because of the newly shutdown nuclear reactors, they provided necessary stability to grid, with them gone it made it harder to transport electricity from north to south. Another problem is that because of the push on wind power and the shutdown on nuclear power, the electricity system has become much more weather dependent resulting in massive price spikes. That is generally bad for industry that want predictable prices. This also has the consequence that the electricity price of the continent can infect the price in Sweden because Sweden is connected to the same grid. If temporary shortage in southern Sweden, then import of capacity from the continent is required but with that comes a higher price.