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The cost of batteries is immaterial to anything being discussed here. As you already knew.

by ncmncm 4y ago

Manuel_D 4y ago
From the previous comment: > Batteries will probably be cheaper, The above commenter clearly thinks that batteries are going to provide cheap storage. If you have some alternative plan for storage at the scale of tens of terawatt hours, please do tell.
- elihu 4y ago
  I'd imagine we'll probably continue to store power the same way the vast majority of power is stored now, using pumped hydroelectric storage.
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    Pumped storage is geographically limited: as more convenient sites are developed, viable locations become more and more remote. Hydroelectric storage is great, but not the pumped kind. The energy storage supplies by the Hoover dam, the Coolie dam, dwarf pumped hydro. It's great for countries that have it, but you're not going to be storing much hydroelectricity outside of mountainous regions.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      - Manuel_D 4y ago
        Pumped storage requires a nearby hill with a lake on top of it (otherwise earth and concrete has to be poured to form an artificial reservoir), and a nearby lower reservoir, and a nearby source of water. And if it isn't close to transportation infrastructure, building a facility becomes prohibitively expensive. As the optimal sites are developed, less and less suitable sites need to be developed. Why is New York building battery storage at $567/KWh [1] if pumped storage is so cheap? There a vast amount of hydro storage potential in the Himalayas, but good luck developing any of it. 1. https://www.utilitydive.com/news/new-york-battery-storage-costs-rise-interconnection-queue-12-gw/621954/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/new-york-battery-storage-co...
        ncmncm 4y ago
        It has already been explained to you numerous times that the above is false. Who do you imagine you will fool this time?
      - dang 4y ago
        Edit: I've taken a closer look at your recent comments in other threads and it turns out you've been breaking the site guidelines so frequently and so aggressively that I've banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. --- Original post: Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines? You've been posting tons of unsubstantive and flamebait comments and even (as here) crossing into personal attack. Besides being the sort of thing we ban accounts for, this has the disadvantage of discrediting your own view, which is a bad thing if you happen to be right. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. We've had to ask you about well over a dozen times in the past, which is not cool. Edit: you've posted over 80 comments in this thread alone- most of them flamewar comments. That's extreme. Please don't do anything like that on HN again, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Edit 2: you've been breaking the site guidelines badly in other threads recently too. As I said, we've warned you many times. If you keep it up we're going to have to ban you, so please fix this. It's seriously not ok.
        mongol 4y ago
        This was definitely the right call.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    So just to make sure I'm understanding you: you insist that storage is a solved problem. It's solution is so obvious that anyone who doesn't agree it's an easy problem is trolling. But on the other hand, you are unwilling to mention how grid scale energy storage in a majority renewable grid will work.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      It has been explained to you numerous times already. You may repeat your lies as much as you like. I will point out that you are lying, each time. Who do you imagine you are fooling?
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    - ncmncm 4y ago

The cost of batteries is immaterial to anything being discussed here. As you already knew.

by ncmncm 4y ago

The cost of batteries is immaterial to anything being discussed here. As you already knew.

From the previous comment: > Batteries will probably be cheaper, The above commenter clearly thinks that batteries are going to provide cheap storage. If you have some alternative plan for storage at the scale of tens of terawatt hours, please do tell.

elihu 4y ago
I'd imagine we'll probably continue to store power the same way the vast majority of power is stored now, using pumped hydroelectric storage.
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  Pumped storage is geographically limited: as more convenient sites are developed, viable locations become more and more remote. Hydroelectric storage is great, but not the pumped kind. The energy storage supplies by the Hoover dam, the Coolie dam, dwarf pumped hydro. It's great for countries that have it, but you're not going to be storing much hydroelectricity outside of mountainous regions.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    - Manuel_D 4y ago
      Pumped storage requires a nearby hill with a lake on top of it (otherwise earth and concrete has to be poured to form an artificial reservoir), and a nearby lower reservoir, and a nearby source of water. And if it isn't close to transportation infrastructure, building a facility becomes prohibitively expensive. As the optimal sites are developed, less and less suitable sites need to be developed. Why is New York building battery storage at $567/KWh [1] if pumped storage is so cheap? There a vast amount of hydro storage potential in the Himalayas, but good luck developing any of it. 1. https://www.utilitydive.com/news/new-york-battery-storage-costs-rise-interconnection-queue-12-gw/621954/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/new-york-battery-storage-co...
      - ncmncm 4y ago
        It has already been explained to you numerous times that the above is false. Who do you imagine you will fool this time?
    - dang 4y ago
      Edit: I've taken a closer look at your recent comments in other threads and it turns out you've been breaking the site guidelines so frequently and so aggressively that I've banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. --- Original post: Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines? You've been posting tons of unsubstantive and flamebait comments and even (as here) crossing into personal attack. Besides being the sort of thing we ban accounts for, this has the disadvantage of discrediting your own view, which is a bad thing if you happen to be right. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. We've had to ask you about well over a dozen times in the past, which is not cool. Edit: you've posted over 80 comments in this thread alone- most of them flamewar comments. That's extreme. Please don't do anything like that on HN again, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Edit 2: you've been breaking the site guidelines badly in other threads recently too. As I said, we've warned you many times. If you keep it up we're going to have to ban you, so please fix this. It's seriously not ok.
      - mongol 4y ago
        This was definitely the right call.
ncmncm 4y ago
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  So just to make sure I'm understanding you: you insist that storage is a solved problem. It's solution is so obvious that anyone who doesn't agree it's an easy problem is trolling. But on the other hand, you are unwilling to mention how grid scale energy storage in a majority renewable grid will work.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    It has been explained to you numerous times already. You may repeat your lies as much as you like. I will point out that you are lying, each time. Who do you imagine you are fooling?
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  - ncmncm 4y ago