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Look, if you want to pay $1600 to play one game at 4K on max settings, be my guest. I'm fine with it in 1440p or in 4K at not max settings, but you do you.

seanp2k2 4y ago
PC vs console has never been a value debate; if one wishes to merely play games at acceptable-for-most quality, console beats the pants off PC all day every day. PC gaming was historically and still is in some cases about living on the edge of available consumer tech; a Vive Pro 2 is 2448 × 2448 @ 120hz /per eye/, PSVR is 960 x 1,080 90-120hz, but for getting into VR it's like a quarter (or less) of the cost of a top-tier VR headset and the PC that can run it. Is that PC experience 4x more valuable than the PSVR experience? Probably not for the vast majority of people, but they still sell enough Ferraris to make it a viable business when a Toyota Camry will do the same job of transportation.
- filmgirlcw 4y ago
  I wasn’t alluding to PC vs console here — I was literally talking about me, someone with a 3080, who has been playing Cyberpunk on it for 18 months — happily, I might add. I understand that there is a strain of enthusiasts who want to push everything to the extreme, and I understand the appeal to that audience. I’m frequently part of that audience (my desire for a white graphics card outweighed me caring if I was playing CP2077 at above 1440p or not, depending on what frame rates I want) - though I have an XSX and a PS5 as well - but $1600 for one game, right now, isn’t something that compels me. Especially since I’d need to re-evaluate my PSU situation, which might impact my case, which might impact cooling and so forth. Talking to my other enthusiast friends, I know I’m not alone.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  This calculation is actually more complicated and doesn't trivially resolve to a singular number. Comparing the two devices across the board only works if its a dedicated computer used exclusively for gaming. Many buying a Gaming PC will be buying a device that will do double duty and the price differential is best described by the GPU required for work vs play and if we want to truly compare it to console quality we ought to be comparing it to a budget GPU similar in performance to a PS5. For example a $370 nvidia gtx 3060 vs a $500 console.
  - PaulHoule 4y ago
    From time to time I am reminded of the corners cut on game consoles. My Xbox One S plays DVDs but it doesn’t play CDs. It doesn’t play HEVC. I really wish I could have just one box next to the TV that satisfies all media needs.
    - michaelmrose 4y ago
      An actual computer running windows/linux with this keyboard with the font big enough to read from where you are is to me sufficient. https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/k400-plus-touchpad-keyboard.920-007119.html https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/k400-plus-...

seanp2k2 4y ago

PC vs console has never been a value debate; if one wishes to merely play games at acceptable-for-most quality, console beats the pants off PC all day every day. PC gaming was historically and still is in some cases about living on the edge of available consumer tech; a Vive Pro 2 is 2448 × 2448 @ 120hz /per eye/, PSVR is 960 x 1,080 90-120hz, but for getting into VR it's like a quarter (or less) of the cost of a top-tier VR headset and the PC that can run it. Is that PC experience 4x more valuable than the PSVR experience? Probably not for the vast majority of people, but they still sell enough Ferraris to make it a viable business when a Toyota Camry will do the same job of transportation.

filmgirlcw 4y ago
I wasn’t alluding to PC vs console here — I was literally talking about me, someone with a 3080, who has been playing Cyberpunk on it for 18 months — happily, I might add. I understand that there is a strain of enthusiasts who want to push everything to the extreme, and I understand the appeal to that audience. I’m frequently part of that audience (my desire for a white graphics card outweighed me caring if I was playing CP2077 at above 1440p or not, depending on what frame rates I want) - though I have an XSX and a PS5 as well - but $1600 for one game, right now, isn’t something that compels me. Especially since I’d need to re-evaluate my PSU situation, which might impact my case, which might impact cooling and so forth. Talking to my other enthusiast friends, I know I’m not alone.
michaelmrose 4y ago
This calculation is actually more complicated and doesn't trivially resolve to a singular number. Comparing the two devices across the board only works if its a dedicated computer used exclusively for gaming. Many buying a Gaming PC will be buying a device that will do double duty and the price differential is best described by the GPU required for work vs play and if we want to truly compare it to console quality we ought to be comparing it to a budget GPU similar in performance to a PS5. For example a $370 nvidia gtx 3060 vs a $500 console.
- PaulHoule 4y ago
  From time to time I am reminded of the corners cut on game consoles. My Xbox One S plays DVDs but it doesn’t play CDs. It doesn’t play HEVC. I really wish I could have just one box next to the TV that satisfies all media needs.
  - michaelmrose 4y ago
    An actual computer running windows/linux with this keyboard with the font big enough to read from where you are is to me sufficient. https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/k400-plus-touchpad-keyboard.920-007119.html https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/k400-plus-...