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Well, if Germany had more nuclear power they would not be burning gas to help France during the French downtime now would they? Nor would they be restarting coa
by themaninthedark 4y ago
Well, if Germany had more nuclear power they would not be burning gas to help France during the French downtime now would they? Nor would they be restarting coal power plants, the dirtiest form of energy.
It's funny how the Green idea of a large grid that shares power, i.e. it's always windy somewhere, suddenly falls flat when the neighbors wind(nuclear, in this case) is no longer blowing.
The only fault of France is trusting Germany to have a sane power production plan when they entered a peering agreement with them.
- croes 4y agoIf Germany would have more nuclear power plants it would have more nuclear waste without nuclear repository. More problems like Asse and Brunsbüttel
- croes 4y ago>it's always windy somewhere, suddenly falls flat when the neighbors wind(nuclear, in this case) is no longer blowing. There is a difference between the outage of an nuclear power plant and the outage of wind turbine. One power plant less has a much bigger effect than thousand wind turbines without wind. Nuclear power plants are the equivalent of Cloudflare, one outage has massive effects. Wind turbines are decentralization and that's better especially since Russia return as the bad guy. Didn't hear much fear about Ukrainian wind turbines but lits of worries about nuclear power plants.
- themaninthedark 4y agoYes, one nuclear power plant has greater output than a large number of wind turbine. That is not what the analogy was about. The analogy is about how people pushing for wind and solar only/main are relying on every other area to be able to pick up the slack when their area is down. And the fact that they are not able or willing to pick up the slack when someone else's area is down. Your comment was that Germany is having to support France while they have their reactors down and viewing that in a negative light. If France was supplying power to Germany during a lull in the wind, the response would be "This is just so, even though the wind does not blow all the time, with enough interconnects we can ensure that a green grid is possible." There was even talk about expanding Europe's grid across to Libya in order to ensure that the wind would be blowing somewhere. That is just holding one energy source to an impossible standard(i.e. zero downtime) while giving generous excuses to the other.
- realusername 4y agoYou can't replace a nuclear plant with wind turbines. Just to replace Fessenheim (the french plant the greens closed), you would need 20k turbines ... without taking into account backups
- Schroedingersat 4y agohttps://en.wind-turbine-models.com/turbines/2338-mingyang-myse16.0-242 https://en.wind-turbine-models.com/turbines/2338-mingyang-my... Last I checked 1840 was not 20,000 times 16. And an ancient leaking nuclear plant barely has a higher capacity factor than current gen offshore wind.
- realusername 4y agoA typical wind turbine on earth is more like 1.5MW... This outlier isn't representative of anything and it's not like you can build sea turbines ... in the east of France. > And an ancient leaking nuclear plant According to whom? Not the nuclear safety bodies at least. > current gen offshore wind. Those are a bit worse than nuclear plants but take roughly the same time to build anyways, the one in France which just went into production took 10 years of development + 4 years of planning so about 14 years.
- Schroedingersat 4y agoIf you're including development then vogtle started in the 90s. And 1840 is...1840 times 1 not 20,000 Which is still about half of the net capacity of new onshore wind. And every year the turbines get bigger. Dogger bank is a first of its kind project and is on schedule for first power 5 years after site selection. Hornsea one was one year from construction start to first power and two years to full operation. Hornsea two was six years from planning start to full operation Gemini was two years from construction start to full operation. Triton knoll was five years from planning approval to full operation
- themaninthedark 4y ago
- themaninthedark 4y agoSo Germany's inability to deal with their nuclear wast excuses them from spewing waste(CO2) out the end of a smokestack that we all have to deal with? How is France dealing with their waste? Can Germany pay France to take it?
- croes 4y agoFrance still has no definitive way to cope with it's nuclear waste. Germany's CO2 output is thanks to some politicians who sabotaged the expansion of renewable energy on purpose.
- realusername 4y agoGermany spent 2x the whole french grid just on renewables already and it still does not work. How much do they need to spend? 4x, 10x ?