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Looking at the F150 lightning convincing people who typically might fall in a cohort skeptical of EVs is eye opening. People will happily buy EVs if it fills t

Looking at the F150 lightning convincing people who typically might fall in a cohort skeptical of EVs is eye opening. People will happily buy EVs if it fills the gap their present vehicles do and proponents of EVs will do well to remember that not everyone leads the same lifestyle, living in dense cities with lots of highway driving. I'm very hopeful for the future seeing the swarm of Nuclear startups pushing the boundaries in the United States. It feels like we're in ~2004 of the space startup phase with Nuclear tech startups.

dylan604 4y ago
>People will happily buy EVs if it fills the gap their present vehicles do and proponents of EVs will do well to remember that not everyone leads the same lifestyle, living in dense cities with lots of highway driving. Yes, but... The dense cities are where the pollution is, and is low hanging fruit. Converting the rural areas with much less dense population is not achieving much. So it makes sense to target those dense population centers first.
- tonmoy 4y ago
  Do you have any concrete data for that? Just because urban areas are denser doesn’t mean more number of people let alone it may not be more overall miles travelled
  - dylan604 4y ago
    Nothing more than my personal experience of living in the boonies for ~20 years then moving to the "big city" for the remaining ~25 years, reading information online, looking at pollution maps, etc. Edit: here's an example of online pollution maps: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/10/climate/driving-emissions-map.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/10/climate/drivi...
- edmundsauto 4y ago
  Maybe, but rural vehicles are bigger, higher rate of diesel engines, and carry heavier loads (reduced fuel efficiency) and drive farther. That seems like an opportunity worth exploiting.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    Maybe my personal experience is biased, but in Texas, the vehicles are not smaller because of being located in urban areas. From my experience, F150 type trucks, SUVs, etc are the same size no matter their location. Urban areas have way more construction going on which is the larger, dirtier fuel using, etc equipment. And if you're trying to compare farming equipment to dense population areas, then I'd love to see some proof of what you're claiming that they are producing more rurally than in urban centers.
kodah 4y ago
I looked at the F150 Lightning and originally thought, "This might actually help people who are against current EVs" until I discovered the estimated mileage while towing. It's absolutely awful. That puts it squarely in the Tesla market as a luxury vehicle as opposed to something useful. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truck-towing-test/ https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-elect...
- twerkmonsta 4y ago
  Most F-150 owners never tow anything, and if they frequently have the need to tow, they usually go for the F-250 and above.

dylan604 4y ago

>People will happily buy EVs if it fills the gap their present vehicles do and proponents of EVs will do well to remember that not everyone leads the same lifestyle, living in dense cities with lots of highway driving. Yes, but... The dense cities are where the pollution is, and is low hanging fruit. Converting the rural areas with much less dense population is not achieving much. So it makes sense to target those dense population centers first.

tonmoy 4y ago
Do you have any concrete data for that? Just because urban areas are denser doesn’t mean more number of people let alone it may not be more overall miles travelled
- dylan604 4y ago
  Nothing more than my personal experience of living in the boonies for ~20 years then moving to the "big city" for the remaining ~25 years, reading information online, looking at pollution maps, etc. Edit: here's an example of online pollution maps: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/10/climate/driving-emissions-map.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/10/climate/drivi...
edmundsauto 4y ago
Maybe, but rural vehicles are bigger, higher rate of diesel engines, and carry heavier loads (reduced fuel efficiency) and drive farther. That seems like an opportunity worth exploiting.
- dylan604 4y ago
  Maybe my personal experience is biased, but in Texas, the vehicles are not smaller because of being located in urban areas. From my experience, F150 type trucks, SUVs, etc are the same size no matter their location. Urban areas have way more construction going on which is the larger, dirtier fuel using, etc equipment. And if you're trying to compare farming equipment to dense population areas, then I'd love to see some proof of what you're claiming that they are producing more rurally than in urban centers.

kodah 4y ago

I looked at the F150 Lightning and originally thought, "This might actually help people who are against current EVs" until I discovered the estimated mileage while towing. It's absolutely awful. That puts it squarely in the Tesla market as a luxury vehicle as opposed to something useful. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truck-towing-test/ https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-elect...

twerkmonsta 4y ago
Most F-150 owners never tow anything, and if they frequently have the need to tow, they usually go for the F-250 and above.