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Trade bodies... protecting their members since the middle ages.

by c7b 4y ago

mc32 4y ago
I mean, isn't that the point so as to avoid devaluation of the trade and thus increase potential earnings?
- conanbatt 4y ago
  At the expense of everyone else, with the strict permission from the government. It is a wonder that software has escaped this trap so well.
- ethanbond 4y ago
  Well and to prevent e.g. bridges from collapsing.
  - mc32 4y ago
    Professionalization is part of it, but not the whole part. The main part was to manage the number of members. Also, this professionalization greatly decreases the propensity for bridges collapsing due to negligence/malpractice but does not completely prevent it. [miami pedestrian bridge, galloping gurtie, KC hyatt walkway, genoa viaduto].
  - marcofiset 4y ago
    Not sure if intentional but this joke was really good.
nomel 4y ago
I think this simplifies the problem of people self proclaiming to be "engineers" without any kind of qualification, metric, or known meaning.
chomp 4y ago
And the public as well. If I hire a lawyer, I have a signal that they probably have (at least) a rudimentary understanding of law, and are licensed to practice law. If I see a medical doctor, I know they have a degree and are licensed to practice medicine. If these people wind up negligent or put people in harm, I know that they have the chance of losing their license to practice law or medicine. If I need an engineer, I should have at least some assurance that they know what they are doing, and that they aren't going to act unethically or against my best interest. I should also have some assurance that the fact they hold a license, means that they (probably) haven't been negligent, or harmful with their practice. This is what Texas used for its software licensure examination: https://nceesorg.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/SWE-Apr-2013.pdf https://nceesorg.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2015... All of that seems like, the barest minimum that I don't think anyone would disagree with to call someone a software engineer.

Trade bodies... protecting their members since the middle ages.

by c7b 4y ago

Trade bodies... protecting their members since the middle ages.

mc32 4y ago

I mean, isn't that the point so as to avoid devaluation of the trade and thus increase potential earnings?

conanbatt 4y ago
At the expense of everyone else, with the strict permission from the government. It is a wonder that software has escaped this trap so well.
ethanbond 4y ago
Well and to prevent e.g. bridges from collapsing.
- mc32 4y ago
  Professionalization is part of it, but not the whole part. The main part was to manage the number of members. Also, this professionalization greatly decreases the propensity for bridges collapsing due to negligence/malpractice but does not completely prevent it. [miami pedestrian bridge, galloping gurtie, KC hyatt walkway, genoa viaduto].
- marcofiset 4y ago
  Not sure if intentional but this joke was really good.

nomel 4y ago

I think this simplifies the problem of people self proclaiming to be "engineers" without any kind of qualification, metric, or known meaning.

chomp 4y ago

And the public as well. If I hire a lawyer, I have a signal that they probably have (at least) a rudimentary understanding of law, and are licensed to practice law. If I see a medical doctor, I know they have a degree and are licensed to practice medicine. If these people wind up negligent or put people in harm, I know that they have the chance of losing their license to practice law or medicine. If I need an engineer, I should have at least some assurance that they know what they are doing, and that they aren't going to act unethically or against my best interest. I should also have some assurance that the fact they hold a license, means that they (probably) haven't been negligent, or harmful with their practice. This is what Texas used for its software licensure examination: https://nceesorg.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/SWE-Apr-2013.pdf https://nceesorg.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2015... All of that seems like, the barest minimum that I don't think anyone would disagree with to call someone a software engineer.