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I think you're setting yourself for another massive disappointment if you think nVidia will sell those at any kind of lower price in the future. Because that's

by izacus 4y ago

I think you're setting yourself for another massive disappointment if you think nVidia will sell those at any kind of lower price in the future. Because that's the issue isn't it? Everyone wanting for nVidia to just sell those chips for less? They'll slap 4070Ti or something on it and sell it to you for the same price.

Macha 4y ago
You might have missed it with how long the inflated market lasted, but in the last few months with the ethereum PoS transition and the threat of recession keeping gamers at bay they literally haven't been able to sell the 30-series cards for quite a bit under MSRP in what was a very sudden reversal from being above MSRP. Maybe a new series stole the demand but part of the reason they're holding out on lower tier SKUs is the 30-series is not going away fast enough, so there's a good chance that we're back in the 10-series vs 20-series day where there's so much used stock of the old series and a perception that nvidia is gouging to the extent that it hamepers sales of the new ones. 30 series launch MSRPs looked very good until it became clear you couldn't get them for that price, partly because they were having to partially roll back the 20 series price increases, so it wouldn't be impossible to see a repeat.
- radicalbyte 4y ago
  For the 30 series it was the 3080 in particular which looked fantastic - it had 95% the performance of the 3090 for half the price ($750 vs $1500) and it was a large improvement on the previous generation. This time around the 4090 is an excellent card, the 4080 16GB is a lot slower and the 4080 12GB a lot slower than the 16GB. They've also jacked the prices: the 4080 should be $750 and the 4090 should be $1500. Arguably lower again given the coming recession and the market being flooded with the previous generation. It will be interesting to see what AMD do as they could make life very difficult for nVidia.
  - izacus 4y ago
    > This time around the 4090 is an excellent card, the 4080 16GB is a lot slower and the 4080 12GB a lot slower than the 16GB. And "by a lot slower" you mean "they're all faster than previous generation flagship 3090".
neogodless 4y ago
You can get an RTX 3090 (MSRP $1499) for about $900-950 now. (In other words, the prices on these cards really should come down a bit.) So while the graphics card formerly known as RTX 4080 12GB might perform about the same as the RTX 3090, it's no better value. The issue isn't the pricing, even though that's an issue. The issue is what looks like an intentional attempt to confuse consumers by selling two products with roughly the same name, but one of them has 25% greater performance. Some consumers may think "I'm coming from a 6GB card, 12GB is plenty, I don't need to pay more for the 16GB one, I'll get almost the same performance" without knowing the technical details. Ideally they'll still read/watch reviews and get the best product for their budget, but that doesn't excuse misleading names.
- icambron 4y ago
  This was me. I was too busy to read/watch anything, 12gb seemed right in the middle of the range, and I blindly pulled the trigger. Later found out I wasn’t quite buying what I thought I was. It’s shitty naming and I’m glad they’re fixing it.
  - D13Fd 4y ago
    > This was me. I was too busy to read/watch anything, 12gb seemed right in the middle of the range, and I blindly pulled the trigger. Later found out I wasn’t quite buying what I thought I was. It’s shitty naming and I’m glad they’re fixing it. Are you talking about last gen? AFAIK you can’t actually buy the 4080 12gb yet, right?
    - neogodless 4y ago
      There have been some pre-orders available for the RTX 4080, though none seem open currently.
- izacus 4y ago
  > So while the graphics card formerly known as RTX 4080 12GB might perform about the same as the RTX 3090, it's no better value. So you'd get the same price, just newer chip, newer encoder and DLSS3 support and all that at lower MSRP than what 3090 cost when it was new and launched? That sounds like same value to me... or even a slightly better deal.

by izacus 4y ago

Macha 4y ago

You might have missed it with how long the inflated market lasted, but in the last few months with the ethereum PoS transition and the threat of recession keeping gamers at bay they literally haven't been able to sell the 30-series cards for quite a bit under MSRP in what was a very sudden reversal from being above MSRP. Maybe a new series stole the demand but part of the reason they're holding out on lower tier SKUs is the 30-series is not going away fast enough, so there's a good chance that we're back in the 10-series vs 20-series day where there's so much used stock of the old series and a perception that nvidia is gouging to the extent that it hamepers sales of the new ones. 30 series launch MSRPs looked very good until it became clear you couldn't get them for that price, partly because they were having to partially roll back the 20 series price increases, so it wouldn't be impossible to see a repeat.

radicalbyte 4y ago
For the 30 series it was the 3080 in particular which looked fantastic - it had 95% the performance of the 3090 for half the price ($750 vs $1500) and it was a large improvement on the previous generation. This time around the 4090 is an excellent card, the 4080 16GB is a lot slower and the 4080 12GB a lot slower than the 16GB. They've also jacked the prices: the 4080 should be $750 and the 4090 should be $1500. Arguably lower again given the coming recession and the market being flooded with the previous generation. It will be interesting to see what AMD do as they could make life very difficult for nVidia.
- izacus 4y ago
  > This time around the 4090 is an excellent card, the 4080 16GB is a lot slower and the 4080 12GB a lot slower than the 16GB. And "by a lot slower" you mean "they're all faster than previous generation flagship 3090".

neogodless 4y ago

You can get an RTX 3090 (MSRP $1499) for about $900-950 now. (In other words, the prices on these cards really should come down a bit.) So while the graphics card formerly known as RTX 4080 12GB might perform about the same as the RTX 3090, it's no better value. The issue isn't the pricing, even though that's an issue. The issue is what looks like an intentional attempt to confuse consumers by selling two products with roughly the same name, but one of them has 25% greater performance. Some consumers may think "I'm coming from a 6GB card, 12GB is plenty, I don't need to pay more for the 16GB one, I'll get almost the same performance" without knowing the technical details. Ideally they'll still read/watch reviews and get the best product for their budget, but that doesn't excuse misleading names.

icambron 4y ago
This was me. I was too busy to read/watch anything, 12gb seemed right in the middle of the range, and I blindly pulled the trigger. Later found out I wasn’t quite buying what I thought I was. It’s shitty naming and I’m glad they’re fixing it.
- D13Fd 4y ago
  > This was me. I was too busy to read/watch anything, 12gb seemed right in the middle of the range, and I blindly pulled the trigger. Later found out I wasn’t quite buying what I thought I was. It’s shitty naming and I’m glad they’re fixing it. Are you talking about last gen? AFAIK you can’t actually buy the 4080 12gb yet, right?
  - neogodless 4y ago
    There have been some pre-orders available for the RTX 4080, though none seem open currently.
izacus 4y ago
> So while the graphics card formerly known as RTX 4080 12GB might perform about the same as the RTX 3090, it's no better value. So you'd get the same price, just newer chip, newer encoder and DLSS3 support and all that at lower MSRP than what 3090 cost when it was new and launched? That sounds like same value to me... or even a slightly better deal.