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"normal man" vs "gay male" is a bit worrisome here.

collegeburner 4y ago
i mean "average man". the modulated example sounded a lot like the stereotypical "gay voice", how is that observation worrisome? since that voice is intentionally not like a regular man i don't see how it's problematic.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Gay people are normal.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    sure, not disputing that, i was using it as a synonym for "typical" or "common". that's a pretty common use of the word btw, google says it means "conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected" i also wasn't talking about gay people in general, only gay people who use the stereotypical voice which is a pretty small fraction of them. i think you're reading too much into nitpicking that word instead of the other three paragraphs.
  - erenyeager 4y ago
    What definition of normal do you operate on? Surely it’s a minority of people, compared to the number of people who do not identify as gay. In sociology this is called social deviance, a feature of human variation
    - pseudalopex 4y ago
      Men are a minority of people. Being gay is more common than having green eyes. Social norms where most HN commenters live allow both. Social deviance means breaking social norms not being in a minority.
      - erenyeager 4y ago
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  Stereotypical gay voice is unintentional mostly and not reliable to predict sexual orientation.[1] Typical is the most neutral word for what you meant probably. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/28/what-it-means-to-sound-gay/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/28/what-...
PhasmaFelis 4y ago
Yeah, and apparently "varbie" means "steroid-abusing female bodybuilder," so...yikes.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  i mean if you listen to some of them that's the voice: woman's tone and inflection but pitched down closer to a man due to the effects of heavy androgen exposure. how's that "yikes"? the point is the modulated woman still sounded like a woman because there's more than pitch that sets mens/womens voices apart.

i mean "average man". the modulated example sounded a lot like the stereotypical "gay voice", how is that observation worrisome? since that voice is intentionally not like a regular man i don't see how it's problematic.

UncleMeat 4y ago
Gay people are normal.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  sure, not disputing that, i was using it as a synonym for "typical" or "common". that's a pretty common use of the word btw, google says it means "conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected" i also wasn't talking about gay people in general, only gay people who use the stereotypical voice which is a pretty small fraction of them. i think you're reading too much into nitpicking that word instead of the other three paragraphs.
- erenyeager 4y ago
  What definition of normal do you operate on? Surely it’s a minority of people, compared to the number of people who do not identify as gay. In sociology this is called social deviance, a feature of human variation
  - pseudalopex 4y ago
    Men are a minority of people. Being gay is more common than having green eyes. Social norms where most HN commenters live allow both. Social deviance means breaking social norms not being in a minority.
    - erenyeager 4y ago
pseudalopex 4y ago
Stereotypical gay voice is unintentional mostly and not reliable to predict sexual orientation.[1] Typical is the most neutral word for what you meant probably. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/28/what-it-means-to-sound-gay/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/28/what-...

PhasmaFelis 4y ago

Yeah, and apparently "varbie" means "steroid-abusing female bodybuilder," so...yikes.

collegeburner 4y ago
i mean if you listen to some of them that's the voice: woman's tone and inflection but pitched down closer to a man due to the effects of heavy androgen exposure. how's that "yikes"? the point is the modulated woman still sounded like a woman because there's more than pitch that sets mens/womens voices apart.