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Personally, as someone who is very passionate about privacy HN is not a safe-harbor for pro-privacy talks. Anti-privacy people come in a lot of shades. Some o
by kodah 4y ago
Personally, as someone who is very passionate about privacy HN is not a safe-harbor for pro-privacy talks.
Anti-privacy people come in a lot of shades.
Some of them like to think of themselves as "good people" who never need to be protected from the law because they believe they always follow the law, therefore, the law is always on their side.
Some of them are holdouts of a bygone age where people championed an open internet coupled with an open society and open government.
There's probably more categories than that, but those are the two I encounter most often on this website. Unfortubately, if you read into what they're sayinf, they hold moral positions on the issue so it's next to impossible to have discourse with them.
- woodruffw 4y agoWhat does a "safe harbor" mean to you? If you're looking for uncritical acceptance, you aren't going to find that anywhere (well, you will, but those places are not going to be interesting, conversationally). I'm pro-privacy: I think we have a fundamental (natural) right to privacy, and I support legislation that practically strengthens that right. But that doesn't mean that I agree with you on everything, and it's unreasonable to expect that.
- kodah 4y agoSolid question and thanks for the callout. I'm never looking for uncritical acceptance. I am looking for a non-hostile environment though; ideologies which would be willing to explore the nuance and reasonings of the privacy movements and debate them with me are more than welcome. Safe harbor was probably not the right word; I'm talking about people you can't even have basic privacy conversations with because their worldview is just so baseline different. It's next to impossible to have conversations about privacy with a person who believes you should be able to view all sensitive information about a person because of their belief that a transparent society is analogous to bleach. The people who believe they and their friends are the last bastion of good people on Earth and that they have nothing to hide cannot be reasoned with either. These are people who won't even say, "privacy is important".