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That's an assumption. I have my concealed carry card. I can/ do/ and would continue protect myself. Other people can do the same without resorting to hiring. T

That's an assumption. I have my concealed carry card. I can/ do/ and would continue protect myself. Other people can do the same without resorting to hiring. There's also a long history of self protection without the use of hired goons.

shadowgovt 4y ago
> Other people can do the same without resorting to hiring Not nearly as many as are currently protected by public police. I'm sure we can find a better alternative to the status quo than "Tell grandma she needs a license and some monthly range time." Better make sure we gift her a firearm with low kickback for Christmas; her wrist bones have been so frail these past few years...
- muaytimbo 4y ago
  I'm doubtful counting on the police in real time to help grandma if she's in trouble, they normally show up well after the damage is done. But you're right some people are not able to protect themselves but I'm still not convinced they would be worse off.
anigbrowl 4y ago
You are probably not part of the capital class, even if you have a lot of money. You're invested in doing your own security and don't publicly advertise whatever financial power you have in a way that might make you a target. But realistically, you could have John Wick levels of combat skill and you would still have yawning holes in your security. You have to sleep and you can only be in one place at once, so there is only so much physical property you can fully protect. Wealthy capitalists outsource their security and mitigate their paranoia by dividing full awareness of their security surface between compartmentalized vendors, each of whom has to assume they're under surveillance by one of the others. If you are personally wealthy, congratulations, but I'm gonna guess you live somewhere with high public safety and never worry about your lawyers or accountants taking up with kidnappers or extortionists. The capital class is not just about having a lot of money, but being able to leverage it in the acquisition of political and social power. If you have to conceal your power, do you really have it?
- muaytimbo 4y ago
  I don't think I would trust hired security, unless you are literally the richest person there could always be a higher bidder. The mercs could turn double at any time and you gave them the keys. And not showcasing power, concealing or misdirecting the perception of your power or lack thereof, has been identified as an important strategy from Sun Tzu to Teddy Roosevelt.

shadowgovt 4y ago

> Other people can do the same without resorting to hiring Not nearly as many as are currently protected by public police. I'm sure we can find a better alternative to the status quo than "Tell grandma she needs a license and some monthly range time." Better make sure we gift her a firearm with low kickback for Christmas; her wrist bones have been so frail these past few years...

muaytimbo 4y ago
I'm doubtful counting on the police in real time to help grandma if she's in trouble, they normally show up well after the damage is done. But you're right some people are not able to protect themselves but I'm still not convinced they would be worse off.

anigbrowl 4y ago

You are probably not part of the capital class, even if you have a lot of money. You're invested in doing your own security and don't publicly advertise whatever financial power you have in a way that might make you a target. But realistically, you could have John Wick levels of combat skill and you would still have yawning holes in your security. You have to sleep and you can only be in one place at once, so there is only so much physical property you can fully protect. Wealthy capitalists outsource their security and mitigate their paranoia by dividing full awareness of their security surface between compartmentalized vendors, each of whom has to assume they're under surveillance by one of the others. If you are personally wealthy, congratulations, but I'm gonna guess you live somewhere with high public safety and never worry about your lawyers or accountants taking up with kidnappers or extortionists. The capital class is not just about having a lot of money, but being able to leverage it in the acquisition of political and social power. If you have to conceal your power, do you really have it?

muaytimbo 4y ago
I don't think I would trust hired security, unless you are literally the richest person there could always be a higher bidder. The mercs could turn double at any time and you gave them the keys. And not showcasing power, concealing or misdirecting the perception of your power or lack thereof, has been identified as an important strategy from Sun Tzu to Teddy Roosevelt.