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It works the same way in capitalist countries - except it’s enforced with money and patriotism instead of democratically introduced, officially existing rules.

by trasz 4y ago

kube-system 4y ago
They’re “the same” only in a reductionist sort of way that isn’t very conducive to productive conversation. Varying economic and legal systems are different in the specifics about how they work, even if self interested individuals exist everywhere.
- trasz 4y ago
  They are the same in every practical sense, in particular in their end results. The differences you mention are an implementation detail - in some countries you have the rules written down as law, in others you got shady three letter agencies, kangaroo "FISA courts", and In-Q-Tel.
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  - kube-system 4y ago
    The end results are not the same. There are many observable differences between doing business in China and in the US or other western market democracies. For instance, executive action is regularly challenged in the US, and successfully so.
    - trasz 4y ago
      >For instance, executive action is regularly challenged in the US, and successfully so. And? How's that different from China?
      - kube-system 4y ago
        China does not have a judiciary independent of the ruling party.
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        trasz 4y ago
        [citation needed] US, on the other hand, definitely doesn't - everyone from the top is chosen by politicians.
        kube-system 4y ago
        > [citation needed] I’m not claiming anything controversial. The SPC openly says that they follow the guidance of the Party. https://qz.com/886665/xi-jinping-promised-legal-reform-in-china-but-forget-about-judicial-independence/ https://qz.com/886665/xi-jinping-promised-legal-reform-in-ch... The US has a judiciary comprising of judges picked by politicians from two competing parties.
        trasz 4y ago
        >the guidance of the Party Which, translated to western terms, is like guidance of the Department of Justice. >politicians from two competing parties Here the term “party” means something completely different from above. If you imagine the political system as layers, China places boundaries between those layers differently from the West, and if you continue to use the terms for those layers (“party”) without realizing this, you’ll arrive at silly conclusions.

It works the same way in capitalist countries - except it’s enforced with money and patriotism instead of democratically introduced, officially existing rules.

by trasz 4y ago

It works the same way in capitalist countries - except it’s enforced with money and patriotism instead of democratically introduced, officially existing rules.

kube-system 4y ago

They’re “the same” only in a reductionist sort of way that isn’t very conducive to productive conversation. Varying economic and legal systems are different in the specifics about how they work, even if self interested individuals exist everywhere.

trasz 4y ago
They are the same in every practical sense, in particular in their end results. The differences you mention are an implementation detail - in some countries you have the rules written down as law, in others you got shady three letter agencies, kangaroo "FISA courts", and In-Q-Tel.
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- kube-system 4y ago
  The end results are not the same. There are many observable differences between doing business in China and in the US or other western market democracies. For instance, executive action is regularly challenged in the US, and successfully so.
  - trasz 4y ago
    >For instance, executive action is regularly challenged in the US, and successfully so. And? How's that different from China?
    - kube-system 4y ago
      China does not have a judiciary independent of the ruling party.
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      - trasz 4y ago
        [citation needed] US, on the other hand, definitely doesn't - everyone from the top is chosen by politicians.
        kube-system 4y ago
        > [citation needed] I’m not claiming anything controversial. The SPC openly says that they follow the guidance of the Party. https://qz.com/886665/xi-jinping-promised-legal-reform-in-china-but-forget-about-judicial-independence/ https://qz.com/886665/xi-jinping-promised-legal-reform-in-ch... The US has a judiciary comprising of judges picked by politicians from two competing parties.
        trasz 4y ago
        >the guidance of the Party Which, translated to western terms, is like guidance of the Department of Justice. >politicians from two competing parties Here the term “party” means something completely different from above. If you imagine the political system as layers, China places boundaries between those layers differently from the West, and if you continue to use the terms for those layers (“party”) without realizing this, you’ll arrive at silly conclusions.