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It might help to start by getting rid of the ranks and other military trappings.

HarryHirsch 4y ago
At least the military has rules of engagement, which are taken seriously. A friend of mine is a combat veteran. He had utmost contempt for Special Forces and contractors because they were above the law.
- yamazakiwi 4y ago
  Cops rush to sweep everything under the rug. Military leadership make an EXAMPLE out of every rulebreaker.
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    This is easily verifiable as untrue. Look at reports for Afghanistan and Iraq. The situation around Gallagher and other special forces soldiers.
    - yamazakiwi 4y ago
      I'm not sure what you're talking about... but I can tell you that 99.9% of veterans and active duty have stories plural about extreme punishment to themselves or those they served with.
      - lostlogin 4y ago
        Every conflict has publicised atrocities that go completely unpunished or barely punished. The list from just the last few decades is very long. How do you square that with your view that there are consequences for bad behaviour? I’m sure there are lots of petty power games and actual enforcement of rules back at base most of the time, but armies have a record of behaviour that is probably worse than any other profession. Even your description of ‘extreme punishment’ sounds like it may be crossing into something that isn’t acceptable or legal. Hazing and such like isn’t discipline or rule enforcement.
        yamazakiwi 4y ago
        >armies have a record of behaviour that is probably worse than any other profession I believe we were talking about current affairs not "war bad". Cops on average have significantly worse behavior than military personnel and it's not even close. When we're talking about the military that also doesn't just mean FOB's in the Middle East. >Even your description of ‘extreme punishment’ sounds like it may be crossing into something that isn’t acceptable or legal. Hazing and such like isn’t discipline or rule enforcement. I appreciate your altruistic tone—legality is different while serving unfortunately. You are legally not considered a citizen or protected by laws that consider citizens. That being said this, the punishment I'm talking about is not hazing. It's more of what you would consider an overly severe sentence by a Judge. I also should not have said "every" rulebreaker.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  I was going to challenge the idea that any military were stipplers for rules of engagement, but you’ve challenged it in your own comment. Some are more professional than others, but giving young guys guns and sending them into challenging situations is going to result in people getting shot.

At least the military has rules of engagement, which are taken seriously. A friend of mine is a combat veteran. He had utmost contempt for Special Forces and contractors because they were above the law.

yamazakiwi 4y ago
Cops rush to sweep everything under the rug. Military leadership make an EXAMPLE out of every rulebreaker.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  This is easily verifiable as untrue. Look at reports for Afghanistan and Iraq. The situation around Gallagher and other special forces soldiers.
  - yamazakiwi 4y ago
    I'm not sure what you're talking about... but I can tell you that 99.9% of veterans and active duty have stories plural about extreme punishment to themselves or those they served with.
    - lostlogin 4y ago
      Every conflict has publicised atrocities that go completely unpunished or barely punished. The list from just the last few decades is very long. How do you square that with your view that there are consequences for bad behaviour? I’m sure there are lots of petty power games and actual enforcement of rules back at base most of the time, but armies have a record of behaviour that is probably worse than any other profession. Even your description of ‘extreme punishment’ sounds like it may be crossing into something that isn’t acceptable or legal. Hazing and such like isn’t discipline or rule enforcement.
      - yamazakiwi 4y ago
        >armies have a record of behaviour that is probably worse than any other profession I believe we were talking about current affairs not "war bad". Cops on average have significantly worse behavior than military personnel and it's not even close. When we're talking about the military that also doesn't just mean FOB's in the Middle East. >Even your description of ‘extreme punishment’ sounds like it may be crossing into something that isn’t acceptable or legal. Hazing and such like isn’t discipline or rule enforcement. I appreciate your altruistic tone—legality is different while serving unfortunately. You are legally not considered a citizen or protected by laws that consider citizens. That being said this, the punishment I'm talking about is not hazing. It's more of what you would consider an overly severe sentence by a Judge. I also should not have said "every" rulebreaker.
lostlogin 4y ago
I was going to challenge the idea that any military were stipplers for rules of engagement, but you’ve challenged it in your own comment. Some are more professional than others, but giving young guys guns and sending them into challenging situations is going to result in people getting shot.