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Not sure how this helps me get the candidates in the first place. Something's filtering non-white-male, non-asian-male candidates before they even apply to our

Not sure how this helps me get the candidates in the first place. Something's filtering non-white-male, non-asian-male candidates before they even apply to our organization.

rsynnott 4y ago
Bad job ads? I believe there was some data showing that the "10x rockstar bla bla" style of ads tended to put off underrepresented minority candidates, in particular.
- robswc 4y ago
  Might not be something to complain about, lol The "10x rockstar" JDs usually mean "we don't actually know what we want." Best, most senior job _and_ with best TC I ever got was just half a page saying exactly what they needed.
almenon 4y ago
Only ~13% of CS grads are women last time I checked. So yes, the filtering is happening, and it's before the candidate even looks at the job advertisement.
Manuel_D 4y ago
Is something filtering out Asian basketball players before they reach the NBA? Or may they just don't decide to become professional basketball players. Likewise among children who say they're interested in STEM, boys outnumber girls 3:1 as early as middle school [1]. The evidence doesn't indicate that they're being filtered out, they're not interested in the field in the first place. https://www.govtech.com/education/female-interest-in-stem-education-and-careers-decreasing.html https://www.govtech.com/education/female-interest-in-stem-ed...
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  The strongest plausible interpretation of their comment would count interest as a filter. 13 to 17 is older than middle school mostly. Preference at those ages is not evidence against social factors. The article said children lose interest in STEM careers as they get older. It referred to an MIT survey that found not having mentors or role models was a reason.
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    13 absolutely is middle school, and most 8th graders turn 14 during that school year. The point is that children have already exhibited the same disparity as we see in the tech industry by middle school. And I'm not really sure if they have a strong grasp on what the job really entails earlier than that. My niece wants to be an astronaut. She doesn't like math or science, but she wants to meet aliens and see their different styles of clothes and hobbies. If she were to change her stated interests in the future, I'm not sure if her underlying interests actually changed or if she just developed a better idea about what working in STEM really entails. It's a loaded thing to say that girls "lose" interest in STEM, when it's unclear they even had that interest in the first place.
- amusedcyclist 4y ago
  Yeah parental pressure is likely filtering Asian boys out of playing basketball

Not sure how this helps me get the candidates in the first place. Something's filtering non-white-male, non-asian-male candidates before they even apply to our organization.

rsynnott 4y ago

Bad job ads? I believe there was some data showing that the "10x rockstar bla bla" style of ads tended to put off underrepresented minority candidates, in particular.

robswc 4y ago
Might not be something to complain about, lol The "10x rockstar" JDs usually mean "we don't actually know what we want." Best, most senior job _and_ with best TC I ever got was just half a page saying exactly what they needed.

almenon 4y ago

Only ~13% of CS grads are women last time I checked. So yes, the filtering is happening, and it's before the candidate even looks at the job advertisement.

Manuel_D 4y ago

Is something filtering out Asian basketball players before they reach the NBA? Or may they just don't decide to become professional basketball players. Likewise among children who say they're interested in STEM, boys outnumber girls 3:1 as early as middle school [1]. The evidence doesn't indicate that they're being filtered out, they're not interested in the field in the first place. https://www.govtech.com/education/female-interest-in-stem-education-and-careers-decreasing.html https://www.govtech.com/education/female-interest-in-stem-ed...

pseudalopex 4y ago
The strongest plausible interpretation of their comment would count interest as a filter. 13 to 17 is older than middle school mostly. Preference at those ages is not evidence against social factors. The article said children lose interest in STEM careers as they get older. It referred to an MIT survey that found not having mentors or role models was a reason.
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  13 absolutely is middle school, and most 8th graders turn 14 during that school year. The point is that children have already exhibited the same disparity as we see in the tech industry by middle school. And I'm not really sure if they have a strong grasp on what the job really entails earlier than that. My niece wants to be an astronaut. She doesn't like math or science, but she wants to meet aliens and see their different styles of clothes and hobbies. If she were to change her stated interests in the future, I'm not sure if her underlying interests actually changed or if she just developed a better idea about what working in STEM really entails. It's a loaded thing to say that girls "lose" interest in STEM, when it's unclear they even had that interest in the first place.
amusedcyclist 4y ago
Yeah parental pressure is likely filtering Asian boys out of playing basketball