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I won't be flying Lufthansa anytime soon. I don't want to entrust my life and my baggage to a company so incompetent.

by RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

lutoma 4y ago
… because they banned AirTags? That seems a bit of an overreaction.
- poochy 4y ago
  Especially because it sounds like they didn't actually ban AirTags
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    > Hi David, Lufthansa is banning activated AirTags from luggage as they are classified as dangerous and need to be turned off./Mony - https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578879849577385984 https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578879849577385984 Certainly you can understand why people thought they did though, right?
    - poochy 4y ago
      I certainly can! Sounds like there was confusion even within Lufthansa about their own policy, or rather how AirTags fit into a broader less specific policy
Fendii 4y ago
Your logic is flawed. If they really did it like mentioned than they did everything right: banning it then analysing it and then greenlighting it If the analysis would have shown an issue you would have been protected BY Lufthansa and standing up vs just not caring.
InTheArena 4y ago
You swallowed the yellow irrational outrage pill. Lufthansa had a customer service rep who (correctly) stated that things with transmitters must have a airplane mode (also true) - without knowing enough about airtags. Now you are assigning an emotional context ("entrust my life", "incompetent") to a simple question of if Airtags apply?
- duxup 4y ago
  >a customer service rep who (correctly) stated that things with transmitters must have a airplane mode That doesn't appear to be what they said: https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578879849577385984 https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578879849577385984
zucked 4y ago
Yeah, you're right - managing PR and a social media presence is a direct correlation to operating airplanes with a relatively stellar safety record: > (Lufthansa has)"one fatal air crash, one non-fatal crash, and two hull losses noted since 1989" (1) (1) JACDEC, https://www.jacdec.de/Order/2021_JACDEC_AIRLINE_RISK_RANKING-x2.pdf https://www.jacdec.de/Order/2021_JACDEC_AIRLINE_RISK_RANKING...
- ciabattabread 4y ago
  How is Germanwings Flight 9525 (Lufthansa Group) counted under this system?
  - zucked 4y ago
    Good question - at first blush it doesn't appear that it is. I wonder if that's because it was declared a deliberate act by the pilot and was not due to plane/pilot error/safety. I did a surface level dive on the source's methodology and didn't see it called out explicitly. Point taken, though - you could say that the PiC of that flight might not have been had they better process/procedures.
sigstoat 4y ago
> I don't want to entrust my life and my baggage to a company so incompetent. even supposing the stories were true and accurate, if this is enough to get you to never use an airline, which ones are left for you to use?
anaganisk 4y ago
Lol imagine distrusting an airline, pilots, ICAO, ATC, ground crew, Airbus/Boeing because they placed a ban on airtags.

I won't be flying Lufthansa anytime soon. I don't want to entrust my life and my baggage to a company so incompetent.

lutoma 4y ago

… because they banned AirTags? That seems a bit of an overreaction.

poochy 4y ago
Especially because it sounds like they didn't actually ban AirTags
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  > Hi David, Lufthansa is banning activated AirTags from luggage as they are classified as dangerous and need to be turned off./Mony - https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578879849577385984 https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578879849577385984 Certainly you can understand why people thought they did though, right?
  - poochy 4y ago
    I certainly can! Sounds like there was confusion even within Lufthansa about their own policy, or rather how AirTags fit into a broader less specific policy

Fendii 4y ago

Your logic is flawed. If they really did it like mentioned than they did everything right: banning it then analysing it and then greenlighting it If the analysis would have shown an issue you would have been protected BY Lufthansa and standing up vs just not caring.

InTheArena 4y ago

You swallowed the yellow irrational outrage pill. Lufthansa had a customer service rep who (correctly) stated that things with transmitters must have a airplane mode (also true) - without knowing enough about airtags. Now you are assigning an emotional context ("entrust my life", "incompetent") to a simple question of if Airtags apply?

duxup 4y ago
>a customer service rep who (correctly) stated that things with transmitters must have a airplane mode That doesn't appear to be what they said: https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578879849577385984 https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578879849577385984

zucked 4y ago

Yeah, you're right - managing PR and a social media presence is a direct correlation to operating airplanes with a relatively stellar safety record: > (Lufthansa has)"one fatal air crash, one non-fatal crash, and two hull losses noted since 1989" (1) (1) JACDEC, https://www.jacdec.de/Order/2021_JACDEC_AIRLINE_RISK_RANKING-x2.pdf https://www.jacdec.de/Order/2021_JACDEC_AIRLINE_RISK_RANKING...

ciabattabread 4y ago
How is Germanwings Flight 9525 (Lufthansa Group) counted under this system?
- zucked 4y ago
  Good question - at first blush it doesn't appear that it is. I wonder if that's because it was declared a deliberate act by the pilot and was not due to plane/pilot error/safety. I did a surface level dive on the source's methodology and didn't see it called out explicitly. Point taken, though - you could say that the PiC of that flight might not have been had they better process/procedures.

sigstoat 4y ago

> I don't want to entrust my life and my baggage to a company so incompetent. even supposing the stories were true and accurate, if this is enough to get you to never use an airline, which ones are left for you to use?

anaganisk 4y ago

Lol imagine distrusting an airline, pilots, ICAO, ATC, ground crew, Airbus/Boeing because they placed a ban on airtags.