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Ah that's fair then, that would be an issue. Though it surprises me a touch: my iphone 11 came with an A->lightning cable (I just checked). Maybe it's that mor

Ah that's fair then, that would be an issue. Though it surprises me a touch: my iphone 11 came with an A->lightning cable (I just checked). Maybe it's that more recently Apple switched the bundled cables from A to C, but didn't provide a charger brick, so people who still only had USB-A chargers were SOL? That would make a lot of sense as well, and I would understand the anger.

sdfsdfsdf111 4y ago
> Apple switched the bundled cables from A to C, but didn't provide a charger brick, so people who still only had USB-A chargers were SOL Yes, this is what happened on the iPhone 13 (may have been 12).
ascagnel_ 4y ago
I think that was the first phone where they didn’t include the charger; after a decade+ of including a USB-A charger, that decision was probably fine for avoiding e-waste. Switching to USB-C on the wall side of the cable the next year was very iffy, since users were much, much more likely to need the new charger or an adapter. If they were really worried about capacity (per shipping container) and reducing e-waste, they’d make the adapter available as an optional add-on at cost — making it free would likely generate more e-waste, since everyone would just go for the free charger.
d3nj4l 4y ago
You could just use your old lightning cable? the port on the phone didn't change, you could use any existing lightning charger and it would work just fine. There's no requirement that you have to use the cable bundled in the box.
- masklinn 4y ago
  > You could just use your old lightning cable? If you were switching from a Lightning iphone to a Lightning iphone, then yes. But say you were switching from an older Android phone, or a limping iphone still on dock connector?
  - d3nj4l 4y ago
    If you were using an iPhone with a dock connector, hats off for stretching one from 2012 (at best) to 2020, but that's hardly a large enough segment to count. Those things did not even have 4G, so the idea that a significant number of people were using one until 2020 and also decided to upgrade to an iPhone 12 is ridiculous. Also, if you were using an older Android etc. you are still not required to use the USB-C to lightning cable. You can get a USB-A to lightning cable for cheap, and those aren't as liable to burn down your house as a cheap charge brick.
flutas 4y ago
> Maybe it's that more recently Apple switched the bundled cables from A to C, but didn't provide a charger brick, so people who still only had USB-A chargers were SOL? It started with the 11, but only for the Pro models. 12 everything was USB-C.

sdfsdfsdf111 4y ago

> Apple switched the bundled cables from A to C, but didn't provide a charger brick, so people who still only had USB-A chargers were SOL Yes, this is what happened on the iPhone 13 (may have been 12).

ascagnel_ 4y ago

I think that was the first phone where they didn’t include the charger; after a decade+ of including a USB-A charger, that decision was probably fine for avoiding e-waste. Switching to USB-C on the wall side of the cable the next year was very iffy, since users were much, much more likely to need the new charger or an adapter. If they were really worried about capacity (per shipping container) and reducing e-waste, they’d make the adapter available as an optional add-on at cost — making it free would likely generate more e-waste, since everyone would just go for the free charger.

d3nj4l 4y ago

You could just use your old lightning cable? the port on the phone didn't change, you could use any existing lightning charger and it would work just fine. There's no requirement that you have to use the cable bundled in the box.

masklinn 4y ago
> You could just use your old lightning cable? If you were switching from a Lightning iphone to a Lightning iphone, then yes. But say you were switching from an older Android phone, or a limping iphone still on dock connector?
- d3nj4l 4y ago
  If you were using an iPhone with a dock connector, hats off for stretching one from 2012 (at best) to 2020, but that's hardly a large enough segment to count. Those things did not even have 4G, so the idea that a significant number of people were using one until 2020 and also decided to upgrade to an iPhone 12 is ridiculous. Also, if you were using an older Android etc. you are still not required to use the USB-C to lightning cable. You can get a USB-A to lightning cable for cheap, and those aren't as liable to burn down your house as a cheap charge brick.

flutas 4y ago

> Maybe it's that more recently Apple switched the bundled cables from A to C, but didn't provide a charger brick, so people who still only had USB-A chargers were SOL? It started with the 11, but only for the Pro models. 12 everything was USB-C.