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You should give the full quote > If you want solutions to the disorder of our time, you will gain little from reading Nietzsche. Yet there is much to be learne

You should give the full quote > If you want solutions to the disorder of our time, you will gain little from reading Nietzsche. Yet there is much to be learned about the sources of the West’s decline from the struggles of this unbelieving Christian, who found in ancient Greece a tragic vision that he spent his life struggling vainly to escape. If we read it at face value I'd agree with the author, he doesn't provide very many (useful) solutions. What he does do however is describe the problems in clear and cutting language. But I'd also agree that the author has a little bit of hostility. From my experience anyone who's religious or progressive takes this same stance towards him, probably because he makes a joke out of their life's mission

leobg 4y ago
Well. I think Nietzsche provides a helluvalot of solutions. And precisely to many of the disorders of our time. Couple examples: > Out of life's school of war - what doesn't kill me, makes me stronger. Applies to muscle building and investing, among many other things. How much of today's self-help literature can be traced back to this idea? > Free, dost thou call thyself? Thy ruling thought would I hear of, and not that thou hast escaped from a yoke. Art thou one ENTITLED to escape from a yoke? Many a one hath cast away his final worth when he hath cast away his servitude. Free from what? What doth that matter to Zarathustra! Clearly, however, shall thine eye show unto me: free FOR WHAT? That one thought alone is dynamite. It is packed with answers to many of the most pressing problems of our time: Nihilism, people feeling lost, numbing themselves with consumerism and getting addicted to social media. Why? Because they are free, but they have no purpose for that freedom. Advertising and gamification. You can give people the illusion of being "free". And it's true: Nobody is holding a whip. Yet what is much more powerful than the whip is positive reinforcement. People are free to do what they want. But they are not free to want what they want. Because, with people lacking a "will" of their own, businesses will harness the power to make people want what's in the business's interest. > Most people are too preoccupied with themselves to be evil. How easy is it to get enraged about something someone else did. How easy is it to explain their behavior in terms of them being an "evil person". But how often is that actually true? Also, once you remind yourself of this insight (and it is necessary to remind oneself, because the attribution to an "evil character" otherwise happens reflexively), you are in a much better position to diffuse the conflict. Remember the Cuban missle crisis, and McNamara's rule #1: Empathize with your enemy. Figure out what he wants. Remember also Nixon. Remember his "evil empire" speech, and what almost happened in 1983 (see the post on HN about "Able Archer" recently). It was only once Nixon put himself in the shoes of Russia that both parties were able to stop the arms race. The idea that some people are just "evil" is a kindergarten teacher's tale. And yet it still dominates our mainstream media, and is exploited for clicks on the internet. I just cherry picked these quotes. There are hundreds of them. And there are many more between the lines in Nietzsche's works. If these are not solutions to the disorders of our time, I do not know what else.
- mamonster 4y ago
  People you describe in the 2nd point aren't nihilists, but (as Last Men) rather a response to nihilism. I do agree that Nietzsche is treated in a very unfair manner today, and people have a lot to gain by engaging with his content.

leobg 4y ago

Well. I think Nietzsche provides a helluvalot of solutions. And precisely to many of the disorders of our time. Couple examples: > Out of life's school of war - what doesn't kill me, makes me stronger. Applies to muscle building and investing, among many other things. How much of today's self-help literature can be traced back to this idea? > Free, dost thou call thyself? Thy ruling thought would I hear of, and not that thou hast escaped from a yoke. Art thou one ENTITLED to escape from a yoke? Many a one hath cast away his final worth when he hath cast away his servitude. Free from what? What doth that matter to Zarathustra! Clearly, however, shall thine eye show unto me: free FOR WHAT? That one thought alone is dynamite. It is packed with answers to many of the most pressing problems of our time: Nihilism, people feeling lost, numbing themselves with consumerism and getting addicted to social media. Why? Because they are free, but they have no purpose for that freedom. Advertising and gamification. You can give people the illusion of being "free". And it's true: Nobody is holding a whip. Yet what is much more powerful than the whip is positive reinforcement. People are free to do what they want. But they are not free to want what they want. Because, with people lacking a "will" of their own, businesses will harness the power to make people want what's in the business's interest. > Most people are too preoccupied with themselves to be evil. How easy is it to get enraged about something someone else did. How easy is it to explain their behavior in terms of them being an "evil person". But how often is that actually true? Also, once you remind yourself of this insight (and it is necessary to remind oneself, because the attribution to an "evil character" otherwise happens reflexively), you are in a much better position to diffuse the conflict. Remember the Cuban missle crisis, and McNamara's rule #1: Empathize with your enemy. Figure out what he wants. Remember also Nixon. Remember his "evil empire" speech, and what almost happened in 1983 (see the post on HN about "Able Archer" recently). It was only once Nixon put himself in the shoes of Russia that both parties were able to stop the arms race. The idea that some people are just "evil" is a kindergarten teacher's tale. And yet it still dominates our mainstream media, and is exploited for clicks on the internet. I just cherry picked these quotes. There are hundreds of them. And there are many more between the lines in Nietzsche's works. If these are not solutions to the disorders of our time, I do not know what else.

mamonster 4y ago
People you describe in the 2nd point aren't nihilists, but (as Last Men) rather a response to nihilism. I do agree that Nietzsche is treated in a very unfair manner today, and people have a lot to gain by engaging with his content.