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In Brazil, what other companies are doing is this: you buy the phone, you get the charger as a gift. It doesn't need to be in the same package, and sometimes it

In Brazil, what other companies are doing is this: you buy the phone, you get the charger as a gift. It doesn't need to be in the same package, and sometimes it arrives by mail days after - as long as consumers get the charger, no one complains.

neogodless 4y ago
Yeah - I am coming around to the idea that chargers don't need to be included with the phone, but also you should be able to get it with the phone if you happen to need it. It should be an option you can pick whenever you buy the phone. There are definitely situations now where I really don't need a new charger when I buy a device, so if I can just pick the "no charger" option, I will. But most likely - we won't get the choice. Because it costs more to Apple and other corporations. I was a bit surprised that my S21 charged super slowly on my OnePlus 30W charger, so I had to buy a Samsung 25W charger. (There are others that work, but they were all roughly the same price as the official one.)
- samatman 4y ago
  This is how it works. This is exactly how it works. Behold: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHJA3AM/A/20w-usb-c-power-adapter https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHJA3AM/A/20w-usb-c-power... Nineteen bucks, won't catch fire, gives a real 20W. Now, it might be the case that you feel the price should be zero bucks with purchase of an iPhone. Apple disagrees. They don't run promotions of that sort, or promotions, in fact. The price is the price, it's core to the brand. Same with a case, same with headphones. Need a USB-A cable for charging instead of -C? You can buy that as well. I'd make a snarky comment about expecting everyone else to pay for your free charger when we don't need one, but profit doesn't actually work that way. Other entities sell iPhones, in fact, I believe that Apple only sells a minority of phones directly. Those merchants are welcome to toss in a charger, if that's the kind of thing the customer likes.
  - plussed_reader 4y ago
    Sounds like the dongle-hell of the Scully days.
    - samatman 4y ago
      I cannot possibly understand what you think you're saying here. There are three ways to charge an iPhone, two wireless and one port, all of them run off USB, A or C, take your pick. The only wrinkle is that there are USB-C ports out there which don't speak the standard, something which Apple can't control. Where's the dongle? Where's the hell?
    - lloeki 4y ago
      > dongle-hell How so? You are precisely able to pick the charger with the port you want according to the cables you have (or want to buy), instead of having a charger with a port you don't choose (+ the cable matching the port you then don't want to have on the brick side).
  - madeofpalk 4y ago
    > They don't run promotions of that sort, or promotions, in fact FWIW, every year Apple does run back-to-school promotions where they'll give you airpods or something like that with a new mac.
    - samatman 4y ago
      I had a nagging feeling that there was an exception slipping my mind, thanks. The freebie to get students hooked on a lifetime of product fits the model, they also offer (at least, used to) student discounts on services, like classes for the Apple Stores which have that. Or did? I have no idea if that's started up post-covid or not. If they were going to give away a free charger, they may as well put it back in the box. They're good chargers, the number of people who would turn it down at checkout is a rounding error.
      - madeofpalk 4y ago
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  I agree. I personally have too many chargers around the house and would happily pass on another.

neogodless 4y ago

Yeah - I am coming around to the idea that chargers don't need to be included with the phone, but also you should be able to get it with the phone if you happen to need it. It should be an option you can pick whenever you buy the phone. There are definitely situations now where I really don't need a new charger when I buy a device, so if I can just pick the "no charger" option, I will. But most likely - we won't get the choice. Because it costs more to Apple and other corporations. I was a bit surprised that my S21 charged super slowly on my OnePlus 30W charger, so I had to buy a Samsung 25W charger. (There are others that work, but they were all roughly the same price as the official one.)

samatman 4y ago
This is how it works. This is exactly how it works. Behold: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHJA3AM/A/20w-usb-c-power-adapter https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHJA3AM/A/20w-usb-c-power... Nineteen bucks, won't catch fire, gives a real 20W. Now, it might be the case that you feel the price should be zero bucks with purchase of an iPhone. Apple disagrees. They don't run promotions of that sort, or promotions, in fact. The price is the price, it's core to the brand. Same with a case, same with headphones. Need a USB-A cable for charging instead of -C? You can buy that as well. I'd make a snarky comment about expecting everyone else to pay for your free charger when we don't need one, but profit doesn't actually work that way. Other entities sell iPhones, in fact, I believe that Apple only sells a minority of phones directly. Those merchants are welcome to toss in a charger, if that's the kind of thing the customer likes.
- plussed_reader 4y ago
  Sounds like the dongle-hell of the Scully days.
  - samatman 4y ago
    I cannot possibly understand what you think you're saying here. There are three ways to charge an iPhone, two wireless and one port, all of them run off USB, A or C, take your pick. The only wrinkle is that there are USB-C ports out there which don't speak the standard, something which Apple can't control. Where's the dongle? Where's the hell?
  - lloeki 4y ago
    > dongle-hell How so? You are precisely able to pick the charger with the port you want according to the cables you have (or want to buy), instead of having a charger with a port you don't choose (+ the cable matching the port you then don't want to have on the brick side).
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  > They don't run promotions of that sort, or promotions, in fact FWIW, every year Apple does run back-to-school promotions where they'll give you airpods or something like that with a new mac.
  - samatman 4y ago
    I had a nagging feeling that there was an exception slipping my mind, thanks. The freebie to get students hooked on a lifetime of product fits the model, they also offer (at least, used to) student discounts on services, like classes for the Apple Stores which have that. Or did? I have no idea if that's started up post-covid or not. If they were going to give away a free charger, they may as well put it back in the box. They're good chargers, the number of people who would turn it down at checkout is a rounding error.
    - madeofpalk 4y ago
JKCalhoun 4y ago
I agree. I personally have too many chargers around the house and would happily pass on another.