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> stopping the gas injections proved nearly inposs Aka we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas :/ Seriously. To this day we're letting fossil fuel comp

> stopping the gas injections proved nearly inposs Aka we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas :/ Seriously. To this day we're letting fossil fuel companies get away with literal murder. Acting like change is impossible is a view those companies actively promote. Don't fall for it.

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FredPret 4y ago
Oh please, reducing emissions is super slow and painful and anyone could see that. Every car switches to electric -> this is happening, but it takes 5-10 years to phase out a car. If 100% of new car sales are electric, we’ll have to wait until 2030. But we’re not at 100% yet. So we’ll probably only get there around 2040-2050. Every house switches to non-gas water heating and climate control -> this one takes even longer, 10-20 years to phase out. It’s probably easier to get to 100% clean new sales Every industrial process switches -> I don’t know enough to even speculate but this sounds like an even longer CAPEX cycle Every plane & ship switches -> we don’t have the tech for this figured out yet. Ships are probably one of the biggest things we should switch over ASAP. Every powerplant switches to nuclear/solar/wind/hydro: another multi-decade project. I want all of the above, if only for cleaner air for health reasons, and because I’m an engineer and nuclear + electric seems more elegant. But it will take a very long time.
- mandmandam 4y ago
  We could have started the switch to cleaner power and better planning and quality trains and public transport etc. forty years ago, but we were knowingly lied to. Fossil fuel companies knew about climate change and deliberately spent decades obfuscating the issue and warping discourse. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about- https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-cl https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-cl... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97... https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696
  - FredPret 4y ago
    Well OK, but now that we are where we are, we have to take the most rational next step. I’m not poking myself in the eye to get back at the oil companies.
- treeman79 4y ago
  Power plants need to come first. Make electric so cheap that electric cars are a no brainer. Not California nonsense of electric shortages while demanding everyone uses electricity.

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FredPret 4y ago

Oh please, reducing emissions is super slow and painful and anyone could see that. Every car switches to electric -> this is happening, but it takes 5-10 years to phase out a car. If 100% of new car sales are electric, we’ll have to wait until 2030. But we’re not at 100% yet. So we’ll probably only get there around 2040-2050. Every house switches to non-gas water heating and climate control -> this one takes even longer, 10-20 years to phase out. It’s probably easier to get to 100% clean new sales Every industrial process switches -> I don’t know enough to even speculate but this sounds like an even longer CAPEX cycle Every plane & ship switches -> we don’t have the tech for this figured out yet. Ships are probably one of the biggest things we should switch over ASAP. Every powerplant switches to nuclear/solar/wind/hydro: another multi-decade project. I want all of the above, if only for cleaner air for health reasons, and because I’m an engineer and nuclear + electric seems more elegant. But it will take a very long time.

mandmandam 4y ago
We could have started the switch to cleaner power and better planning and quality trains and public transport etc. forty years ago, but we were knowingly lied to. Fossil fuel companies knew about climate change and deliberately spent decades obfuscating the issue and warping discourse. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about- https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-cl https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-cl... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97... https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696
- FredPret 4y ago
  Well OK, but now that we are where we are, we have to take the most rational next step. I’m not poking myself in the eye to get back at the oil companies.
treeman79 4y ago
Power plants need to come first. Make electric so cheap that electric cars are a no brainer. Not California nonsense of electric shortages while demanding everyone uses electricity.